Assange is Missing?

[squirrelp]

Embassies and consulates aren't actually foreign territory. There is simply mutual non-enforcement of domestic law subject to the diplomatic staff behaving themselves. If something completely unacceptable and illegal was happening inside an embassy, the UK would be within its rights to revoke the post's diplomatic status and raid it.

I concede you are right about the territory but not sure you are wholly correct?

• Article 22. The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolable and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage. The host country must never search the premises, nor seize its documents or property. Article 30 extends this provision to the private residence of the diplomats.

Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations - Wikipedia

 

[MAD-T-REX]

It isn't entirely clear cut.

Article 3 itemises the legitimate functions of a diplomatic mission:

(a) Representing the sending State in the receiving State; (b) Protecting in the receiving State the interests of the sending State and of its nationals, within the limits permitted by international law; (c) Negotiating with the Government of the receiving State; (d) Ascertaining by all lawful means conditions and developments in the receiving State, and reporting thereon to the Government of the sending State; (e) Promoting friendly relations between the sending State and the receiving State, and developing their economic, cultural and scientific relations.

Article 41 states:

3.The premises of the mission must not be used in any manner incompatible with the functions of the mission as laid down in the present Convention or by other rules of general international law or by any special agreements in force between the sending and the receiving State.

A diplomatic mission that sacrifices children to Satan would be using its premises for a function that was incompatible with the convention. The convention does not set out the consequences of misusing a premises, but the arguments to get around article 22 would be that a diplomatic premises which is used for illegitimate purposes is simply not a diplomatic premises or that the breach of article 41 relieves the host state of its obligation to treat the premises as inviolable. While some illegitimate functions are tolerated because everyone is doing it (e.g. spying), doing something overtly illegal and offensive to the host nation would be pushing it. Still, diplomatic considerations, rather than legal ones, would almost certainly keep the host nation from taking any action.

Of course, even if action was taken, the members of the diplomatic mission would still enjoy total immunity unless their state waived it. The sacrificee could be rescued and the diplomats would be declared persona non grata.

 

[squirrelp]

The cornered tiger fights. From Craig Murray's blog

Julian Assange has published his statement given to the Swedish prosecutor. I give it in full below. I do implore you to read it. This is the first time his defence has been made public, although the media have been delighted to report the leaked allegations against him in detail.
His defence will not be given in the same detail in the media.

It is worth noting that under Swedish law the identity of both the accuser and the accused ought to be protected, but that did not prevent Swedish police and prosecutors leaking details to a complicit media, or the women concerned selling their story to the tabloids.

You really do owe it to yourself, to justice and to personal honesty to read Julian’s side of the story.

Julian Assange's Defence Statement - Craig Murray

 

[butchersapron]

What does it say to you?

 

[squirrelp]

Also noteworthy is that the UN has just knocked back an appeal from the UK, and demanded his release:

Human Rights Council Working Group on Arbitrary Detention

Opinions adopted by the Working Group on Arbitrary Detention at its seventy-fourth session, 30 November-4 December 2015 Opinion No. 54/2015 concerning Julian Assange (Sweden and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)*

91. The Working Group is convinced that Mr. Assange’s current situation, in which he is staying within the confines of the Embassy of Ecuador in London, has become a state of an arbitrary deprivation of liberty.

...

Disposition

92. In the light of the foregoing, the Working Group renders the following opinion: The deprivation of liberty of Julian Assange is arbitrary and in contravention of articles 9 and 10 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and articles 7, 9 (1), (3) and (4), 10 and 14 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. It falls within category III of the categories applicable to the consideration of the cases submitted to the Working Group.

93. Consequent upon the opinion rendered, the Working Group requests the Governments of Sweden and the United Kingdom to assess the situation of Mr. Assange, to ensure his safety and physical integrity, to facilitate the exercise of his right to freedom of movement in an expedient manner and to ensure the full enjoyment of his rights guaranteed by the international norms on detention.

94. The Working Group considers that, taking into account all the circumstances of the case, the adequate remedy would be to ensure the right of free movement of Mr. Assange and accord him an enforceable right to compensation, in accordance with article 9 (5) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

United Nations Official Document

 

[butchersapron]

Also noteworthy is that the UN has just knocked back an appeal from the UK, and demanded his release:


United Nations Official Document

What do you think happened?

 

[butchersapron]

No, wrong.

 

[squirrelp]

as you say, Mr Apron. We should pass on your finding to the UN working group.

 

[butchersapron]

as you say, Mr Apron. We should pass on your finding to the UN working group

Why? What are they? What power do they have?

 

[squirrelp]

Why? What are they? What power do they have?

Research isn't your strong point is it?

 

[butchersapron]

Research isn't your strong point is it?

It is.

Think.

 

[squirrelp]

It is.

Great, you go and do it then rather than spamming one-line questions

 

[butchersapron]

Great, you go and do it then rather than spamming one-line questions

Done it in depth on this thread before you turned up with one-liners,

 

[butchersapron]

Great, you go and do it then rather than spamming one-line questions

You're the same old same old.

 

[gorski]

Let's think DEEEEEEEPLY, to be at your level, Butch...

The Swedes in this instance have not behaved in accordance with their own laws and international obligations, despite their otherwise high standing in international affairs and current high ranking in terms of rule of law, transparency and so on...

You, on the other hand, have done the exact same thing you always do - being a wanker full of himself, all cryptic, as if we know there is nothing behind that stirring of mud, so we can't see just in what type of shallow you are standing on this issue... Meh!

Swedes, in this case, are nothing but American gov's stooges. End of. It's such a shame and quite a let-down to some of us but hey, even the Swedes are human and fuck up sometimes... even BIG TIME! Like now... [Never mind the UK gov...]

 

[butchersapron]

It's worrying that the parrot profs - our defenders - surrender other peoples rights so.

 

[gorski]

Now they appear to be the worst legal regime in the world. Sweden.

This is called NOT thinking!

Their legal regime has not changed, oh deep one...

Their practise, however, has...

 

[classicdish]

Julian Assange's Defence Statement - Craig Murray

The bulk of that comes across as political grandstanding about wikileaks and whingeing about the Swedish prosecutor.

Even the small section in the middle where he finally gets round to giving his version of 'what happened' shows him to be bit delusional. For example he seems to think that he was cleverly avoiding 'FBI operations' in London by leaving for a week or so, or that he was protecting himself from a US snatch-squad or dirty tricks by staying with random 'fans'/supporters/stalkers who he didn't know.

 

[gorski]

Ahem, yeah, there is no such thing as snatching people by American gov and their stooges...

 

[classicdish]

Ahem, yeah, there is no such thing as snatching people by American gov and their stooges...

That's not what I am saying.

I am saying that his method of 'avoiding' this was delusional.

If you want to avoid 'dirty tricks' then why go off with some random person who has picked you up or rely on people you don't know?

 

[ruffneck23]

That's not what I am saying.

I am saying that his method of 'avoiding' this was delusional.

If you want to avoid 'dirty tricks' then why go off with some random person who has picked you up or rely on people you don't know?

so , you were there were you ? how can you ( or I ) say it's delusional with any actual confidence,?

 

[classicdish]

so , you were there were you ? how can you ( or I ) say it's delusional with any actual confidence,?

Thinking that is a good method is delusional.

 

[gorski]

No, it is not. As much as it pains the Hobbesians like you, occasionally one must trust others... at least up to a point.

Moreover, these people have been vetted in a way, this was not completely random, as you seem to "think"...

On top of it all, even the US does not do it to just about any country, ergo it was really not on the cards...

Well, not like that! They had to have some "legal" cover, so they did the shitty and brainless thing...

As if most minimally educated and informed people today (Sweden and elsewhere in EU) couldn't...

Achhhh, bloody rubbish...

 

[squirrelp]

If you want to avoid 'dirty tricks' then why go off with some random person who has picked you up or rely on people you don't know?

You're being unpredictable. Your movements are so random that you don't even know them yourself.

 

[stuff_it]

Interesting first post.

*Waves to Julia....errm, I mean GrowbagUK

 

[The Octagon]

He's (supposedly) just done an AMA on reddit.



He's getting a proper kicking

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Thanks, Octagon.

I'd advise watching the video, as the signal-to-noise ratio on the Reddit thread is a little... erm, 'low'.

This is something Assange wrote back in '06:

The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. This must result in minimization of efficient internal communications mechanisms (an increase in cognitive "secrecy tax") and consequent system-wide cognitive decline resulting in decreased ability to hold onto power as the environment demands adaption.

Hence in a world where leaking is easy, secretive or unjust systems are nonlinearly hit relative to open, just systems. Since unjust systems, by their nature induce opponents, and in many places barely have the upper hand, mass leaking leaves them exquisitely vulnerable to those who seek to replace them with more open forms of governance.

Only revealed injustice can be answered; for man to do anything intelligent he has to know what's actually going on.

https://cryptome.org/0002/ja-conspiracies.pdf

I guess 'more open' is one of the kinder things you could say about Trump.

Regardless of what you might believe about Assange himself, does anyone here have any serious problems with what Wikileaks do?

 

[gorski]

Traitors, the lot of them, send in the drones (says US version of Butchers)!!!

Thanx for all this, I read through all of it from the GCHQ thread last night and now this... Sobering, indeed...

 

[Wilf]

He's stepping out with Pamela Anderson now:
Pamela Anderson tells of 'love' for Julian Assange
Well, when I say stepping out..

 

[phillm]

He's stepping out with Pamela Anderson now:
Pamela Anderson tells of 'love' for Julian Assange
Well, when I say stepping out..

worse things could happen to him....