Carlson visits Julian Assange
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
"Anyone who matters in this great grand plan is male. Obviously."
Says so much.
Why are you skeptical that the security forces and the armed services are currently dictating American foreign policy? Seems pretty obvious to me.
More to the point, why do you think it is in any way a conservative or "right-wing" claim to make? It's the sort of claim that's traditionally made by the "left," no?
Cheers matey, but I'm not pro-Trump. I'm anti-Trump. Can't stand the man, would never vote for him. I just think he's better than "Biden." "Biden" means endless war.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
No, it doesn't mean that. It's a deliberately nebulous term for "enemies within" popularised by the modern US right (and used, in different language, by rubbish imitators like the Tories, who imply any conflict between them and the civil service is "deep state" stuff). It absolutely does not mean the alphabet agencies because of course they want to keep them around, and also there's been decades of propaganda about how those agencies are actually great, particularly appreciated by voters of an authoritarian mindset who are a big Trump bloc.
Of course it has reference to the alphabet agencies for the benefit of the conspiracy side, but those guys are minor.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It’s amazing how - without fail - returnee trolls come back a shadow of their former selves, bereft of whatever comic charm they had, nothing but a mildly tragic air of desperation left.
Phil joins a long line of them, he’s not the first, and presumably won’t be the last.
Phil joins a long line of them, he’s not the first, and presumably won’t be the last.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
"Ignore this thread, Dwyer's taken another dump on the boards"
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But we'll have endless war whoever ends up in the white house
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Dwyer Struggle
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Somebody Feed Phil
It's become a bit of a floating signifier I suppose.
I first encountered the term in Turkey, which I believe is where it originates. Over there it does mean the security services and the armed forces. The Turkish Deep State is a constant threat to the democratically-elected governments, and the same situation appears to be developing in the USA. Towards the end of Trump's term quite a few liberals were openly calling for a military coup, once they saw that nothing else would work, and they're obviously cooking up some quasi-legal excuse to get him off the ballot this time too.
As you say, Trump voters used to be great supporters of the Deep State, when it was on their side. That has changed over the last 6 years, and now the Trumpies loathe and fear the FBI. They regard them as a new Stasi. It's been very interesting to watch.
Perhaps because of the term's current popularity in the West, the Turks now talk about the "parallel state" instead.
The establishment masquerading as the anti-establishment. You couldn’t make it up. Except truthers actually did.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Go on, then, I'll bite.
Which liberals were openly calling for a military coup?
And please, no links to Fox.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
MSM rarely talks about Tucker. Instead we can see his shit on Twitter.
He's a millionaire's son, who has found a career as a contrarian and white nationalist. Not unlike Musk.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Yeah, but dwyer thinks he's a fine upstanding gentleman, who's worth taking notice of, who to believe?
I remember both the NY Times and the WaPo running editorials hinting that a coup would be preferable to a second Trump term around 2019. Here's a decent account: Remember the Failed Coup Attempt against Trump | National Review
Neither Carlson nor Musk are "white nationalists," the charge is absurd. It's a reflection of the desperation felt by their political opponents.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
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Tucker Carlson has pushed the white nationalist idea of the "great replacement" in response to the surge of Haitian refugees at the border.
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BusLanes
Pedestrian
If they keep talking like they are then I'm going to judge them on that basis
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Could you point out the part of that article where they quote the liberals who were openly calling for a coup attempt against Trump? There is a bit where they quote some professor as referring to it as a "possibility" and "a plausible scenario", which I don't think is quite the same as endorsing something, is that what you were thinking of?
How would you characterise Blake Neff, Andrew Anglin, Peter Brimelow, Jason Kessler, Scott Greer, Ilana Mercer, and Moses Apostaticus/David Hilton?
Yes, that is what I meant. They stopped short of saying the word "coup" but it was clear what they meant. It still is. They're still quite willing to use illegal and (I assume if necessary) violent means to keep Trump out of power.
I've never heard of any of the people you mention here, who are they?
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
They = some law school professor?
There's at least a few names on there that you really should. Here's a clue: they've all written for the Daily Caller, except for one of them, who's a vocal admirer of Carlson but has never actually been published by him. Have you heard of the Daily Caller or do you need me to hold your hand through that one as well.
They = the neo-cons. Do you need me to name them for you?
I know what the Daily Caller is, and I'll check out the people you mention. What am I looking for?
ETA: Oh hang on, I do know Anglin, he's a Nazi. Is that your point?
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I'm confused, before you said:
Which is the claim krtek challenged you on. But then it became:
So was there anyone "openly calling for a military coup" or not? And if there was, who was saying it and where?
You're looking for their opinions, and then how you would characterise an outlet that publishes these people, and what relevance that has to the claim that Carlson could be considered a white nationalist, as above.
Right. OK, in that case, since you have heard of Anglin, who is admittedly the odd one out of that list, why do you think he's so keen on Carlson?
I've no idea, but this is starting to sound an awful lot like classical guilt by association. "Carlson is bad because a Nazi said he was good." I hope your point is more sophisticated than that?
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