Aristocrat's daughter on the run with sex offender and newborn

[scifisam]

I think police and social services would be trying to use the media to find them. I don't think the media or the public would be as interested in the story but for the unusual backgrounds of the protagonists.

That I do agree with - there's more, basically, to report.

 

[weepiper]

How do we know they have other children previously taken away by social services? Not doubting, but I haven't seen anything myself.

Extrapolation from pictures of the mum with other small babies but no mention of her having other children in the press. And the couple apparently withdrew from society around the time that she would have been getting visibly pregnant. So they were trying to go under the radar.

 

[scifisam]

How do we know they have other children previously taken away by social services? Not doubting, but I haven't seen anything myself.

I don't think we do - that seems to be pure speculation that isn't really necessary.

 

[Part 2]

Would the media be allowed to report that other kids had been removed?

Would some kind of privacy rights apply?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Would the media be allowed to report that other kids had been removed?

No because family courts are private hearings.

 

[Athos]

It also says that "few" mothers were found, when it's over a third, and adds in extra babies to the official stats.

This is such a weird fucking thread. Baby at really fucking obviously huge risk, any attempt to find it is curtain-twitching!

I've not said it is curtain-twitching. Just disgruntled with your claim that shacked babies get lots of media attention (not that that's particularly relevant in this case, anyway).

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I've not said it is curtain-twitching.

That was something OU implied.

 

[Athos]

How do we know they have other children previously taken away by social services? Not doubting, but I haven't seen anything myself.

We don't. I think it's an assumption from the fact that they're no longer with her, and that they appear to be attempting to hide this kid from the authorities.

 

[Thora]

Why are they described as ‘on the run’ ? It seems to be basically because her dad wants contact. Weird story.

I don't think the dad wants contact (well, he might do but not in relation to the police search now) - his appeal seems to be an attempt by the police to find her.

 

[xenon]

I believe it's called Projection. I imagine that the person he raped didn't care about his skin colour either. He was 14 and got 20 years for rape. That takes some doing, especially for a 14 year old, even in the US. However, my feelings mostly stem from his behaviour now, with this woman. I've never actually dealt with a black man but I have dealt with a lot of white men who perpetrated violence against their partners and also white women who were on the receiving end. I only ever dealt with one woman whose male partner could be said to be blameless for the stabbing he received from her. I don't condone violence really but I'm willing to make an exception for men who are violent to women. Lastly, fuck you.

Rape and battery.

But hey he was only 14 so you know, sympathy and a hug for him.

 

[emanymton]

I think police and social services would be trying to use the media to find them. I don't think the media or the public would be as interested in the story but for the unusual backgrounds of the protagonists.

I'd noticed this story quite prominently way before their backgrounds came up. So any public interest wasn't down to that. The media may have know and not been reporting it of course.

It stood out to me as just odd and with a lot more background we didn't know about.

 

[emanymton]

Extrapolation from pictures of the mum with other small babies but no mention of her having other children in the press. And the couple apparently withdrew from society around the time that she would have been getting visibly pregnant. So they were trying to go under the radar.

There is this is the evening standard article someone posted earlier.

a Facebook profile picture in 2020 — her first in four years — showing Constance smiling with a baby believed to be hers. Around the same time, she uploaded an entire Facebook album of baby photos, captioned “my love sprogs”, suggesting she might have had more than one child.

 

[Looby]

200 cops are not seeking them because they've committed the crime of failing to register the birth. Or because her well-connected Dad asked them to. It's most likely that the child is at extremely high risk. At a guess, the older kids were taken away, and they went on the run to stop the same happening with this one. The risk could stem from the fact he's a sex offender, but given the only offence we know of didnt have a child victim, and given how unusual it is for a woman to choose staying with a boyfriend over losing her kids, I suspect the risk is that they're drug addicts.

It’s not unusual at all for people to stay with partners and risk losing their children. No blame at all and there’s complex reasons for that but it’s common.

 

[eatmorecheese]

As thread titles go, this has to be one of the most arresting.

This whole gossipy conversation makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't like child protection stuff like this becoming gossip fodder, because the kids will be able in later years to access the news articles (and maybe even threads like this).

We will move on and forget about this eventually. The same can't be the same for this child (I sincerely hope the child is OK) and his older siblings.

Very, very sad

 

[Orang Utan]

Which bits of speculation are troubling you?

all of it

 

[Orang Utan]

That was something OU implied.

i didn't imply it, i explicitly stated it
what an ugly thread

 

[Magnus McGinty]

i didn't imply it, i explicitly stated it
what an ugly thread

Well yeah, but my go to position is to tone down who I'm quoting rather than amplifying. In case I'm wrong.
But given I'm not, how ghastly that folk are worried about a woman and child's welfare. Beyond the pale.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well yeah, but my go to position is to tone down who I'm quoting rather than amplifying. In case I'm wrong.
But given I'm not, how ghastly that folk are worried about a woman and child's welfare. Beyond the pale.

as if that's the truth. there may be an inkling of concern going on, but it''s swamped by pointless speculation that only serves to reflect badly on those making it. how is any of the gossip helping here?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

as if that's the truth. there may be an inkling of concern going on, but it''s swamped by pointless speculation that only serves to reflect badly on those making it. how is any of the gossip helping here?

What's the point of the forum then? It's here to discuss stuff. Often stuff in the news.

 

[scifisam]

as if that's the truth. there may be an inkling of concern going on, but it''s swamped by pointless speculation that only serves to reflect badly on those making it. how is any of the gossip helping here?

Oh fuck off.

 

[Orang Utan]

What's the point of the forum then? It's here to discuss stuff. Often stuff in the news.

i know you're not stupid, so have a word with yourself

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh fuck off.

attacking people for shining a mirror at thm is not a good look

 

[scifisam]

attacking people for shining a mirror at thm is not a good look

I genuinely have no idea what you actually mean with that.

 

[Orang Utan]

I genuinely have no idea what you actually mean with that.

i'm not going to help you here, that's on you

 

[Magnus McGinty]

i know you're not stupid, so have a word with yourself

You're enjoying pointing out that although you don't consider me stupid, you still consider yourself better than me.

 

[scifisam]

i'm not going to help you here, that's on you

Ah, I give up. Just fuck off. I'll put you you ignore.

Should have done it ages ago for reasons unrelated to this thread anyway.

 

[Orang Utan]

Wake up in the morning and feel ashamed

 

[Orang Utan]

You're enjoying pointing out that although you don't consider me stupid, you still consider yourself better than me.

I don’t think you’re stupid, but obtuse. And you don’t like people pointing out your nonsense. This doesn’t just apply to you, but anyone who gossips and dresses it up as concern

 

[Orang Utan]

Ah, I give up. Just fuck off. I'll put you you ignore.

Should have done it ages ago for reasons unrelated to this thread anyway.

You haven’t even bothered to address what I’m saying and have just resorted to some bizarre personal thing.
People really don’t like it when a shameful habit of theirs is pointed out to them. We as a species/society need to do better. And for that to happen we need to stop lying to ourselves about why we gossip.

 

[Part 2]

As thread titles go, this has to be one of the most arresting.

This whole gossipy conversation makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't like child protection stuff like this becoming gossip fodder, because the kids will be able in later years to access the news articles (and maybe even threads like this).

We will move on and forget about this eventually. The same can't be the same for this child (I sincerely hope the child is OK) and his older siblings.

Very, very sad

As the writer of the thread title I take that on board. I think I probably wrote it that way because of how I've interpreted the reporting. Although it's been a story here since the car fire I hadn't really followed it but I found myself a bit caught up in it last night and today. I think I know why but that's not for here.

When I started the thread I was aware they were in London and that as a lot of posters here are too it was worth making people aware because I thought the risks to the kid were huge based on what I'd read. It hadn't occurred to me that threads like this don't go well and as the day went along I've read far more than is healthy on reflection and let myself get carried along with it.

I've tried to avoid speculation but looking back over my posts I can see that I have. I appreciate your bringing that to my attention particularly about how the kids might be able to see stuff like this. I hadn't thought about that and I see your point.

I too hope they're safe and some sort of positive resolution is found soon.