Aristocrat's daughter on the run with sex offender and newborn
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scifisam
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I don't actually see that happening though.
My bad, just the first words that came to mind.... soz
How would they best be described?
Concerns for the baby I think. We can only speculate why that is but suddenly going off grid to live a new life in B&Bs when you've got a home is a particularly odd move for an expectant mother, no?
bimble
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Not really your words, they’re being used in how it’s being reported I think. Idk “aristocrat appeals for estranged daughter to get in touch” might be a more accurate headline.
scifisam
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Because she gave birth to a baby alone - not illegal - and then didn't give notification of the birth, which is illegal, and also didn't make any contact with any healthcare provider, which is pretty fucking obviously not safe. There might be other stuff going on, and most likely is given the background, but the basic facts are that they've broken a law that's intended to protect babies and birthing parents.
It's mad the amount of slack some on here are willing to give.
Raheem
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They have something like six weeks to register the birth, so they haven't done anything illegal in that respect yet.
bimble
floofy
slack ? Am I supposed to be angry at someone. I don’t doubt that there’s something bad going on for her, something isolating and paranoid-making I imagine. But heard the dad on the radio this morning, he is what made this story happen.
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Yes they have. It's not registering the baby, it's a separate thing
Unassisted birth - Birthrights
Unassisted birth is often called ‘free birth’. It means deciding to give birth at home or somewhere else without the help of a healthcare professional such as a midwife.
www.birthrights.org.uk
It's not usual for there to be a manhunt for a new mother. So I expect there's quite a bit going on in the background.
bimble
floofy
Well yeah. 200 police searching for them when no crime has been committed just out of concern in case they need medical attention but are choosing not to get any yes that’s very weird. I think the background is her dads connections.
scifisam
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Yeah, and it's not an unreasonable law. They have broken a law that does actually protect newborn babies (and the mothers - giving birth is risky). If they were at home and had merely refused to register the birth, but had allowed medical staff in to check everyone was medically fine, they'd be on social services' radar even if they hadn't been before, but it wouldn't be like this.
As it is, they've done numerous things since the birth that make it clear that the baby's in a highly risky environment even if they'd both been clean-cut types the rest of their lives. It's just not weird to search for the baby in those circumstances - it'd be weird not to.
She's been estranged from her family since 2016. That's six years. Why would her father have bad intentions towards this birth particularly?
scifisam
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But a crime has been committed.
bimble
floofy
No bad intentions suggested!
Then I don't understand your point. You appear to be saying that a family who have suddenly gone off grid to have a child shouldn't be hounded as no crime has been committed. Which begs the question of why they felt the need to go off grid?
bimble
floofy
I’ll leave it alone, do hope they are safe and well and all that. Just seems a strange tale to me very much connected to the salacious details of their backgrounds. Newborn babies are found abandoned quite regularly, and we barely hear about the search for their mothers who presumably don’t have money for taxis and hotels.
Athos
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200 cops are not seeking them because they've committed the crime of failing to register the birth. Or because her well-connected Dad asked them to. It's most likely that the child is at extremely high risk. At a guess, the older kids were taken away, and they went on the run to stop the same happening with this one. The risk could stem from the fact he's a sex offender, but given the only offence we know of didnt have a child victim, and given how unusual it is for a woman to choose staying with a boyfriend over losing her kids, I suspect the risk is that they're drug addicts.
scifisam
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That's not true at all. When there's an abandoned baby with no known parents there's always lots of publicity about it and searches for the mother.
scifisam
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Partly that, yeah. But if they'd been ordinary people there'd be searches for them too, and people would be saying "bet a rich person could just get away with it."
Athos
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That's not true.
Abandoned babies in the UK - a review utilizing media reports - PubMed
This database currently represents the most accurate and comprehensive picture of the newborn abandonment phenomenon in the UK, a phenomenon that is rare but with high media and social interest. If the future well-being of mother and baby are to be catered for, clearer evidence-based policy and...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
muscovyduck
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I think there's a difference between media response and police response and we may all be talking at cross purposes a bit. Police definitely go all out on this sort of thing, I've seen it twice irl, once on an abandoned baby and once a kidnapping. The media will also go as overboard as possible reporting stuff they're not supposed to but usually have a lot less to work with so it runs out of steam more quickly or just sort of looks different so we don't remember it the same way
Athos
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I think police and social services would be trying to use the media to find them. I don't think the media or the public would be as interested in the story but for the unusual backgrounds of the protagonists.
scifisam
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That's not true.
Abandoned babies in the UK - a review utilizing media reports - PubMed
This database currently represents the most accurate and comprehensive picture of the newborn abandonment phenomenon in the UK, a phenomenon that is rare but with high media and social interest. If the future well-being of mother and baby are to be catered for, clearer evidence-based policy and...
It also says that "few" mothers were found, when it's over a third, and adds in extra babies to the official stats.
This is such a weird fucking thread. Baby at really fucking obviously huge risk, any attempt to find it is curtain-twitching!
I don't think it's been reported but there's pictures from her social media that have been circulated of her with other children.
I wondered this myself. The child in a previous picture wasn't necessarily hers and would have had to have been blurred out for publication I think.
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