Aristocrat's daughter on the run with sex offender and newborn

[danny la rouge]

What’s his skin colour got to do with his criminal history?

It may have had a lot to do with his conviction and sentencing.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It may have had a lot to do with his conviction and sentencing.

Strikes me as weird to use it in an attempt to invoke sympathy for a misogynist.

 

[pbsmooth]

sounds like we can probably just burn both of them and save the baby.

 

[Looby]

Strikes me as weird to use it in an attempt to invoke sympathy for a misogynist.

Is it sympathy or a healthy and reasonable suspicion about the way a young black male might have been treated/managed by the law.
He was 14 wasn’t he? A child.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Perhaps his victim also was.

 

[tim]

Strikes me as weird to use it in an attempt to invoke sympathy for a misogynist.

All I know is that there are two adults and a baby who probably need support. I don't really see the relevance of clickbait about her family background or his childhood conviction.

 

[StoneRoad]

just commenting here ...

It is not unknown for the 'murican "justice" system to get things extremely wrong when the defendant is not white.
And the UK system ain't perfect, neither !

I don't think we can know enough about the details & background in this case to pass judgement.

 

[pbsmooth]

well they're avoiding anyone helping them or getting any medical attention for their newborn child, so we can pass judgement on that.

 

[tim]

Perhaps his victim also was.

If you'd bothered reading the article, you'd know that she wasn't.

 

[tim]

well they're avoiding anyone helping them or getting any medical attention for their newborn child, so we can pass judgement on that.

Or draw the conclusion that they in a position where they are not capable of taking rational decisions and also fear losing the custody of the child

 

[ouirdeaux]

I don't think we can know enough about the details & background in this case to pass judgement.

Not that that's likely to stop anyone.

 

[bmd]

It often has a lot to do with perceptions

I believe it's called Projection. I imagine that the person he raped didn't care about his skin colour either. He was 14 and got 20 years for rape. That takes some doing, especially for a 14 year old, even in the US. However, my feelings mostly stem from his behaviour now, with this woman. I've never actually dealt with a black man but I have dealt with a lot of white men who perpetrated violence against their partners and also white women who were on the receiving end. I only ever dealt with one woman whose male partner could be said to be blameless for the stabbing he received from her. I don't condone violence really but I'm willing to make an exception for men who are violent to women. Lastly, fuck you.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If you'd bothered reading the article, you'd know that she wasn't.

So it does. Not sure why I missed that.

 

[Looby]

All I know is that there are two adults and a baby who probably need support. I don't really see the relevance of clickbait about her family background or his childhood conviction.

It’s difficult to see how his conviction has no relevance to the current situation but maybe it isn’t.

The fact is, beyond them being found, unless one of them talks we are unlikely to ever know as any family court proceedings wouldn’t be public.

 

[Looby]

Perhaps his victim also was.

I don’t see how that invalidates what I said. I was not defending him.

You seem intent on causing a row and not really interested in actually having a conversation so you crack on but I’m not interested in your ‘snappy’ retorts with zero substance.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I don’t see how that invalidates what I said. I was not defending him.

You seem intent on causing a row and not really interested in actually having a conversation so you crack on but I’m not interested in your ‘snappy’ retorts with zero substance.

I’m causing a row? ‘Poor rapist’ sentiments such as what Tim expressed are always going to get hackles to rise.

 

[Looby]

I’m causing a row? ‘Poor rapist’ sentiments such as what Tim expressed are always going to get hackles to rise.

I haven’t seen any ‘poor rapist’ sentiments? And I’m not Tim.

His conviction is probably connected to the concerns about this family but we don’t actually know and possibly never will.
Could be drugs
Could be chronic neglect
Could be DA
Could be worries about mental health

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I haven’t seen any ‘poor rapist’ sentiments? And I’m not Tim.

His conviction is probably connected to the concerns about this family but we don’t actually know and possibly never will.
Could be drugs
Could be chronic neglect
Could be DA
Could be worries about mental health

Reading between the lines I’m picking up hints of coercive control. Or that could just be a massive misreading on my part.

 

[Part 2]

I don't fully understand it all but details of his conviction are here.

From what I can make out, went not guilty and was convicted of Armed Kidnapping, four counts of Armed Sexual Battery and Burglary with a Deadly Weapon He got 40 years for that minus the 4 already served.

Also guilty of Burglary with a Deadly Weapon and Aggravated Burglary... looks like 20 concurrent for those.

 

[ouirdeaux]

Link doesn't work.

 

[Part 2]

Link doesn't work.

I had to try a different browser myself, wouldn't work in Firefox so I had to use Opera. Wouldn't work on Google on my phone either.

Home Page - Broward County Clerk of Courts

Broward County Clerk of the Circuit and County Court, Brenda D. Forman, Official Website - is your go to location to Pay Traffic Tickets, Pay Child Support, Court Fees, Case Search, Court Search, File Cases, Passports, Divorce, Injunction, Domestic Violence, Broward County

www.browardclerk.org

Then the search doesn't work with too much detail so I searched all records with no dates and just used Mar Gor in the name fields.

 

[tim]

I’m causing a row? ‘Poor rapist’ sentiments such as what Tim expressed are always going to get hackles to rise.

Or
1. We don't judge the acts of children in the way we judge the acts of adults

2. In either case people change for the better as well as the worse over a long period of time

3. I don't have much faith, particularly with regard to black defendants , in criminal justice and incarceration systems in Florida and other parts of the US South.

4. This is the typical tabloidy clickbait story, woman from posh family and black predator, that the media love to sell.

5. If you "read between the lines" in such stories, you are likely to find what you want to find

6. Calling for people to be burnt, regardless of what they may have done in their childhood or what you conclude they may be doing now is not acceptable.

7. Macho fuckwittery is tedious.

 

[pbsmooth]

nothing Tim can't smooth over with a cuppa and a chat.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Is Boris the sex offender?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

5. If you "read between the lines" in such stories, you are likely to find what you want to find

Shortly after meeting him she became estranged from family, friends, interests and studies she had been previously involved with. That’s some pretty readable hallmarks of coercive control and we already know he’s been sent down for an extreme act of misogyny. But yeah, I could just be seeing what I ‘want’ to see.

 

[andysays]

Reading between the lines I’m picking up hints of coercive control. Or that could just be a massive misreading on my part.

Based on what, specifically?

The separation from her family could be a result of coercive control from him, or it could equally well be a result of a negative response from her family when they heard she was involved in a black man with an apparently unsavoury history.

A certain amount of speculation is inevitable, but you seem to be jumping to a whole lot of conclusions based on negative stereotyping.

Your conclusions might turn out to be correct, but if they do it won't be because they're actually based on anything very substantial.

 

[purenarcotic]

Based on what, specifically?

The separation from her family could be a result of coercive control from him, or it could equally well be a result of a negative response from her family when they heard she was involved in a black man with an apparently unsavoury history.

A certain amount of speculation is inevitable, but you seem to be jumping to a whole lot of conclusions based on negative stereotyping.

Your conclusions might turn out to be correct, but if they do it won't be because they're actually based on anything very substantial.

The same could be said about this entire thread. It screams coercive control to me, but ultimately we have no idea. But with so many things all we’re ever doing is idly speculating.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Based on what, specifically?

The separation from her family could be a result of coercive control from him, or it could equally well be a result of a negative response from her family when they heard she was involved in a black man with an apparently unsavoury history.

A certain amount of speculation is inevitable, but you seem to be jumping to a whole lot of conclusions based on negative stereotyping.

Your conclusions might turn out to be correct, but if they do it won't be because they're actually based on anything very substantial.

I did say I might be wrong. Seems a very unusual and unhealthy setup though.

 

[emanymton]

Based on what, specifically?

The separation from her family could be a result of coercive control from him, or it could equally well be a result of a negative response from her family when they heard she was involved in a black man with an apparently unsavoury history.

A certain amount of speculation is inevitable, but you seem to be jumping to a whole lot of conclusions based on negative stereotyping.

Your conclusions might turn out to be correct, but if they do it won't be because they're actually based on anything very substantial.

The previous convition for rape the fact that it appears Social services were going to take the child away and the whole being on the run thing kind of learns towards the coercive control option rather than the family are racists option. It could also be that they are both pretty nasty and SS don't think the kid is safe with either of them.

 

[Looby]

All that does ring alarm bells. Maybe her family did kick off when they found out who she was seeing. Understandable? Maybe they didn’t handle it well, lots of families don’t. It’s actually really hard to handle that stuff well.

I lost a long time with my best friend because I couldn’t accept her partner and support their relationship. It drove her away for a while.