Are you going on the “Hate March”? (11/11/23) - Poll

[littlebabyjesus]

I know and I'm not actually sure I agree with my own post anymore! I thought they'd all got arrested, whereas they were merely kettled I think.

Yeah, they weren't all arrested. Police used powers blah blah to stop and search them.

Guardian has this police update from an hour ago:

Officers intercepted a group of 150 who were wearing face coverings and firing fireworks. Arrests were made after some of the fireworks struck officers in the face.

Really, some of the fireworks struck officers in the face? I'm calling bullshit on that. Maybe the protesters used them as batons???

Same piece also gives a figure of 126 arrests in total, the majority of them far right thugs, the only people doing actual violence.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I thought the small “show respect” sign mentioned earlier might just have been someone concerned that any meddling with the cenotaph or whatever would sully the whole message rather than something more far right.

No, that was me. I can assure you he meant to protest against the protesters. On Vauxhall Bridge Road, about 2 miles form the cenotaph. A lone saddo rather than anything more sinister, though.

 

[Gramsci]

When Jews praised Mussolini and supported Nazis: Meet Israel's first fascists

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www.haaretz.com

The always good haaretz on Zionism and fascism.

It was Mussolini rather than Hitler.

Mussolini didnt have a thing about Jews like Hitler did.

The context of the times was that strong leaders / a strong nationalist anti communist state appealed

Peronism in Argentina had Mussolini influences.

The Right wing Zionists , like others in Europe at the time, had a certain admiration for this kind of Fascism as a model.

 

[8ball]

Same piece also gives a figure of 126 arrests in total, the majority of them far right thugs, the only people doing actual violence.

I doubt the only people doing violence were far right (you always get some twats out for a ruck, many of which will come along with no opinions whatsoever about the matters at hand), but with the incredible turnout it seems to have been amazingly peaceful.

Only person this looks bad for is Braverman.

 

[8ball]

No, that was me. I can assure you he meant to protest against the protesters. On Vauxhall Bridge Road, about 2 miles form the cenotaph. A lone saddo rather than anything more sinister, though.

Fair enough.

Seems the protesters did show respect, though. Maybe that’s not what he really wanted.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I doubt the only people doing violence were far right (you always get some twats out for a ruck, many of which will come along with no opinions whatsoever about the matters at hand), but with the incredible turnout it seems to have been amazingly peaceful.

Only person this looks bad for is Braverman.

All the marches have been amazingly peaceful. And the vast majority of the young men on them weren't drinking. That makes a difference. There just weren't twats out for a ruck with the police. Very little animosity towards the police at all. Very different from other marches like, for instance, the Criminal Justice Act march back in the day. More like the largest anti-Iraq War march, where again there just weren't people out for a ruck.

 

[8ball]

All the marches have been amazingly peaceful. And the vast majority of the young men on them weren't drinking. That makes a difference. There just weren't twats out for a ruck with the police. Very little animosity towards the police at all. Very different from other marches like, for instance, the Criminal Justice Act march back in the day. More like the largest anti-Iraq War march, where again there just weren't people out for a ruck.

Tbf a lot of my experiences are from the “back in the day” cases you mention, so my expectations are likely coloured by that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Tbf a lot of my experiences are from the “back in the day” cases you mention, so my expectations are likely coloured by that.

It's one of these marches' great strengths imo. They're PG-rated at worst. A group of peaceful, entirely reasonable and good-natured people making their voices heard. Where the very worst that happens is some slightly foolish young men setting off the odd firework without following the proper health and safety procedures.

 

[Miss-Shelf]

I know and I'm not actually sure I agree with my own post anymore! I thought they'd all got arrested, whereas they were merely kettled I think.

Sorry ì was on a rubbish phone and couldn't edit.

They were kettled

Police hereded people over vauxhall bridge with a line of vans and then kettled them after Victoria and chased some of them up to picadilly

Most fireworks were up in the air. Obviously if you kettle and push people then things get more lairy

But chasing people round all night over fireworks is just daft

It's become a bit of a thing now at the end of each of these events

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There was a big group coordinated by the organisers of women and girls holding hands in a huge circle. Somehow they kept it together for the entire route, I think, as I passed by them en route then saw them arriving at Vauxhall as I was leaving. The majority of the stewards have been women as well. Women have been at the forefront of all the marches.

 

[Dystopiary]

I know it doesn't change anything materially, but I hope knowing that millions of people around the world are marching in their name helps the people of Gaza a little bit. They are not forgotten.

It does hugely.
Cant recall where I heard it, probably on a R4 news podcast.
Those under the cosh do feel the support and really appreciate it.

A young Palestinian woman, Nowar Diab, wrote this article published in the Guardian a couple of weeks ago:

Please keep marching for Palestine – your protests are giving hope to the people of Gaza | Nowar Diab

However, there is one thing that has recently given me hope in the face of the tragedy that has become our lives here in Gaza. It is the pictures of hundreds of thousands of people standing up for us and protesting in our name – demonstrations held in the streets of cities across the world, from Algiers and Istanbul to London and Washington DC. The kindness of strangers, often thousands of miles away: this pulls us out of that feeling of hopelessness. Seeing this, I cannot help my eyes filling with tears. It shows people care and our suffering is felt.

These scenes of support and solidarity really restore our hope. Seeing people of all ages and from all communities descend on the streets of London last weekend proved that our cries were not in vain. We are heard. The world is watching. And our fellow humans are standing up for us by opposing this war.


We are in dire need of hope right now. I cannot stress this enough. The situation is so difficult and we need a portion of hope every day. This is what your support gives us: enough hope to get through the long, painful and difficult day that will come tomorrow. So my message to those people of Britain – who will stand up for us yet again today by attending peaceful demonstrations held in London and other cities– is a simple word of thanks. You restore my faith in humanity – each time you march in our name and call for peace, each time you chant for a free Palestine and a better world, and with every sign, banner and flag that you wave in our support.

We are together. We march with you in our hearts and hopes. The people of Gaza are watching. We see this and we feel less alone. You give us hope for a better, fairer world.

 

[MickiQ]

We saw only one Pro protester when we went the theatre and that was a guy in an orange jacket with a home made sign waiting to catch a train at Embankment.
There was a group of very shouty, very drunk yahoos outside shouting abuse but they were surrounded by twice as many Plod.
Trafalgar Square was heaving with Plod, I didn't even know there that many Plod in the UK. All tooled up in riot gear as well.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Check these twats out

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Plod just standing by watching fights in front of them.

 

[spitfire]

Check these twats out

 

[littlebabyjesus]

And yet when a young Muslim man lets off a firework...

 

[Calamity1971]

Check these twats out

Macho, chest out wankers.

 

[Wilf]

Check these twats out

Here's a list of other organisations they need to go and protest for disrespecting the dead and holding events on this most sacred weekend:

Things To Do This Weekend In London: 11-12 November 2023

The Lord Mayor's Show, music festivals, Diwali celebrations and more.

londonist.com

 

[deeyo]

From where I am, I'd keep references to Hitler well away from comparisons to Israel. But if I was Palestinian, things would be very different.

might be acceptable from jews as well...?

Warnings of Israeli fascism should be heeded, not condemned

IHRA definition would brand critical Jewish voices as anti-Semitic.

electronicintifada.net

From Humanity to Bestiality, an encounter with Y. Leibowitz

Yeshayahu Leibowitz was a famous Israeli intellectual known for his outspoken opinions on Judaism, ethics, religion and politics. Here’s an interview of his on the topic of “Humanity to…

hummusforthought.com

 

[Calamity1971]

That's a face you'd never tire of punching.

 

[kenny g]

Macho, chest out wankers.

Really pleased I managed to avoid these morons.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Given the only violence anywhere near to the Cenotaph was orchestrated by themselves, I'm unsure what they're pissed off about.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Really pleased I managed to avoid these morons.

Ah well. They're famous now. Thick twats.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Given the only violence anywhere near to the Cenotaph was orchestrated by themselves, I'm unsure what they're pissed off about.

They're pissed off because the only violence anywhere near to the Cenotaph was orchestrated by themselves.

 

[quimcunx]

I doubt the only people doing violence were far right (you always get some twats out for a ruck, many of which will come along with no opinions whatsoever about the matters at hand), but with the incredible turnout it seems to have been amazingly peaceful.

Only person this looks bad for is Braverman.

There was barely a police officer on the march route. At one point about 4 were very politely clearing a path for a couple of vans to get through probably on their way to meet the EDL lot. A couple directing traffic, saw a couple of vans in the distance at vauxhall bridge. I occasionally would look round to see if I could see any but no. From what I saw over 4 hours of a huge crowd no policing was necessary.

 

[ice-is-forming]

It quite something seeing the fash trying to process an Asian woman saying what they wanna hear.

It's quite a head fuck hearing skinheads shouting "We're with you Israel" wtaf.

yesterday was a great day to hold it on. what better day than the day we remember those who died in war.

If I ruled the world there'd be a march in every city, globally, every day & every night until there's a ceasefire.
I'm horrified by the whole thing, Ive been reading the other thread, I haven't commented on it because 1.its just too snarky And 2. this is where my heads at.


thanks for the photo Gramsci
Even down here in butfuck nowhere, I'm feeling it, the world's vicarious trauma. It wasn't that good before this, but this.. this is horrendous and I can't believe it's happening and that no one's stopping it.

anyway, I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, but wanted to say thank you to all of you who marched today

 

[WhyLikeThis]

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[littlebabyjesus]

yesterday was a great day to hold it on. what better day than the day we remember those who died in war.

At first I thought it was an unfortunate coincidence. Now I think exactly this. And with the added bonus here in the UK of thick racist twats making a spectacle of themselves.

 

[kenny g]

A little bit more for context shows the state of Mr Arsenal fan. Eyes look like George Osborne on a very bad day.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

And yet when a young Muslim man lets off a firework...

Spoke to my mother earlier today, her being a good litmus test of what the media narrative is from a non partisan position, and she was going on about Tommy Robinson involved in fighting. Nothing about Muslims with fireworks.