Are you going on the “Hate March”? (11/11/23) - Poll

[teqniq]

The Gove vid has resurfaced and not in a nice way. Someone must have had a similar idea to me and saved the vid. They have reposted it in the hopes that the Met will track down the people in the vid and arrest/charge them. Make of it what you will:

Link

 

[sealion]

Some good naming and shaming here.

The fucking irony of that racist fucknugget in the Arsenal top that's advertising a company owned by who ?

 

[gosub]

The fucking irony of that racist fucknugget in the Arsenal top that's advertising a company owned by who ?

Tbf Did a 4 week course with the CEO of Emirates CEO back in the day , he was Sheik Muktuom's chief pilot. Got an alert everything there was any trouble went down in Israel /Palastine/ Lebanon

 

[Cloo]

It's difficult because there is a degree of generational trauma whereby many Jews really are scared by anything they deem might be antisemitism and there are many Jews and, more significantly, parties that want to leverage Jewish fear to shut various things down that they don't like, who will really play up this fear.

It annoys me and I don't agree with it, but I understand why it happens. Personally, I feel very safe in the UK as a Jew. I've been reflecting that for many centuries we were the outgroup in Europe - sure we know people of colour etc did visit and live in Europe more than perhaps assumed, but we were the outsiders for centuries, with no guaranteed right of settlement anywhere, often restricted in where we could live, trades we could practice etc. But these days in most countries we are not the 'main story' for bigots - sadly to the point some Jews will hide under the wings of, for example, Islamophobes, who say they are on Jews' side. But anyone who goes after any outgroup, be that Muslims, people of colour, LGBTQ+ people - ultimately if they go their way they'd be coming for us too.

But in the UK there is no remotely credible political force that could come into power and turn the national and its institution against Jews. I'd be much more worried about that if I were Muslim. I feel no existential risk from the politics of the UK - yes, there is now a heightened risk of Jewish-targetted terror attacks, and I believe we need to target anti terror policing at preventing this. But I certainly wouldn't feel safer in Israel than the UK, even before all this kicked off - something Israeli and American right wing Jews often intimate 'Oh, you are only safe in Israel'.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sunak, Braverman and Starmer are certainly leveraging that fear at the moment. Not only leveraging it, but cultivating it. You Are Right to Be Afraid. It's a horrible thing to watch.

 

[teqniq]

Classy:



and just in case you were wondering as to who he is:

 

[hitmouse]

Turns out the BBC interviewed a Na'amodnik who was on the Jewish bloc, actually a pretty decent interview:

 

[Cloo]

It's interesting that I started a discussion on threads with:

I'm fascinated by how some of my fellow Jews seem to be stuck in a mindset of 'If you don't love Israel, you hate Israel', like there's no room for 'Loving Israel and feeling sad and angry', 'Feeling ambivalent about Israel', 'Wanting to love Israel but feeling ashamed of how it acts' and so on

Which got quite a lot of responses fairly quickly, mostly quite interesting, but 3 of which totally embodied the point I was making by saying things to the effect of 'you support Hamas', 'Why did you only say negative things about Israel in your post' and 'Stop helping radical Islam destroy Israel' (the last is a direct quote)

 

[Calamity1971]

Check these twats out

 

[WhyLikeThis]

 

[Sue]

It's interesting that I started a discussion on threads with:



Which got quite a lot of responses fairly quickly, mostly quite interesting, but 3 of which totally embodied the point I was making by saying things to the effect of 'you support Hamas', 'Why did you only say negative things about Israel in your post' and 'We need to stand with Israel and be Zionists because everyone's after us'

A Jewish guy I used to work with is reposting and liking loads of stuff in LinkedIn and it's all showing up in my feed.

It's a stream of slagging off the UN/various aid agencies working in Gaza as liars, claiming what Israeil is doing in Gaza is completely justified (with some saying it's not going far enough) and saying that anyone not in complete agreement with Israel's actions is anti-semitic/as bad as Hamas etc etc.

I'm finding it really disturbing tbh because it's so vociferous and it feels like there's no hope at all of there being any kind of solution in the future.

 

[hitmouse]

Some good naming and shaming here.

I absolutely hate that my mind automatically noticed this, but they're literally all doing the soyjak face there.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

 

[Calamity1971]

These are getting it instead.

 

[sealion]

Check these twats out

These are the archetypal -brave in numbers cunts that are known in the football hooligan world as strings- Fuckwit coked and boozed up arseholes that would shit themselves and do a 2 minute mile at the bang of a gong. White flight cowardly racists. Chelsea had a load of them. Vile radicalised nazis. It was some of there's that formed combat 18. Went out to Auschwitz and done and said some of the most sickening things all for giggles. This cunt in the picture below i'm sure is Chelsea. The irony of it all and comes as no surprise that Jason Marriner and some of there ringleaders who sang no surrender to the IRA. Wanted every non white person in Britain deported or gassed are now all living in Thailand.






From the star

Infamous Chelsea hooligan Jason Marriner has called on football fans to unite and protect the cenotaph ahead of the Israel-Palestine protests that clash with Remembrance Day.

"Save your energy, save it for next weekend, obviously every one is going to be in London," the notorious former Chelsea Headhunters man said, speaking from Thailand. "I'd like to say I wish I could be there, do you know what, I do with I could be there, because I've had enough of all this b******: It's outrageous.
"It's about time that we stood together and we're united, you know what I mean.


"Everyone knows the code, next weekend, make it our stand against these terrorists, absolute dog slags - that's the bottom line and there ain't no in between.
"This is outrageous, if they want to disrupted that, I'm sorry, its got to go to a different level. Big respect to everyone that's going to go and show their respect, and, you know what, do what you've got to do."


What an absolute cunt. Patriots etc etc. No surrender indeed.

 

[GarveyLives]

British Transport Police are appealing for assistance in relation to their investigation into an incident at Waterloo Station yesterday (11 November 2023), and say that senior detectives are currently reviewing the footage of the incident and that anyone with any information is urged to contact them as soon as possible.

In particular, they believe that the four men in the following images may be able to assist them with their enquiries into the incident:

Anyone who knows any of the people should contact British Transport Police by texting 61016 or by calling 0800 40 50 40, quoting reference 217 of 12/11/2023. And you can submit information anonymously by calling Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

 

[sealion]

Sacked in the morning you're getting sacked in the morning,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Wilf]

Michael Gove, quite by accident going for a stroll right next to a very well publicised march route?

No court can convict for "jostling" even if the powers that be find some way of making it a crime. His presence there is tantamount to entrapment.

First they came for the jostled and I did nothing...

 

[Elpenor]

Thing is if you run your own company, you’re not getting sacked are you, you may well lose work but it might not be quite as swift an action as that estate agent who confronted Chris Witty

 

[teqniq]

Sacked in the morning you're getting sacked in the morning,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

He runs his own business JT landscaping but hopefully he may find himself short of customers.

 

[Wilf]

The cynic in me thinks that Suella and Co were so desperate for some left violence that in the spirit of remembrance weekend ("Honour Those Who Made Such Sacrifices") Gove drew the short straw and deliberately headed out to take a well-deserved shoeing. The 'jostlers' showed admirable restraint.

If I remember the clip correctly, he also made a point of walking in the road, near the demonstrators.

 

[Wilf]

British Transport Police are appealing for assistance in relation to their investigation into an incident at Waterloo Station yesterday (11 November 2023), and say that senior detectives are currently reviewing the footage of the incident and that anyone with any information is urged to contact them as soon as possible.

In particular, they believe that the four men in the following images may be able to assist them with their enquiries into the incident:

Anyone who knows any of the people should contact British Transport Police by texting 61016 or by calling 0800 40 50 40, quoting reference 217 of 12/11/2023. And you can submit information anonymously by calling Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Looks like the (racist) lovechild of Harry Hill and Sean Lock.

 

[Looby]

Oh great, my local fash. Seems he’s already been in prison and long time supporter of Tommy Robinson.

 

[Sue]

Oh great, my local fash. Seems he’s already been in prison and long time supporter of Tommy Robinson.

Makes you proud, eh?

 

[Wilf]

Oh great, my local fash. Seems he’s already been in prison and long time supporter of Tommy Robinson.

Tommy 'cab for Mr Robinson' Robinson?

 

[mojo pixy]

It's difficult because there is a degree of generational trauma whereby many Jews really are scared by anything they deem might be antisemitism and there are many Jews and, more significantly, parties that want to leverage Jewish fear to shut various things down that they don't like, who will really play up this fear.

It annoys me and I don't agree with it, but I understand why it happens. Personally, I feel very safe in the UK as a Jew. I've been reflecting that for many centuries we were the outgroup in Europe - sure we know people of colour etc did visit and live in Europe more than perhaps assumed, but we were the outsiders for centuries, with no guaranteed right of settlement anywhere, often restricted in where we could live, trades we could practice etc. But these days in most countries we are not the 'main story' for bigots - sadly to the point some Jews will hide under the wings of, for example, Islamophobes, who say they are on Jews' side. But anyone who goes after any outgroup, be that Muslims, people of colour, LGBTQ+ people - ultimately if they go their way they'd be coming for us too.

But in the UK there is no remotely credible political force that could come into power and turn the national and its institution against Jews. I'd be much more worried about that if I were Muslim. I feel no existential risk from the politics of the UK - yes, there is now a heightened risk of Jewish-targetted terror attacks, and I believe we need to target anti terror policing at preventing this. But I certainly wouldn't feel safer in Israel than the UK, even before all this kicked off - something Israeli and American right wing Jews often intimate 'Oh, you are only safe in Israel'.

Frankly any Jew who thinks they'd be safer in Israel than in the UK is deluding themselves; or indulging in pure histrionics. Safer than nazi Germany was, sure. Safer than the Islamic Republic of Iran, no doubt. But there is no way that Israel is safer than the UK for Jews or anyone else tbh. Especially not right now.

 

[teqniq]

Frankly any Jew who thinks they'd be safer in Israel than in the UK is deluding themselves; or indulging in pure histrionics. Safer than nazi Germany was, sure. Safer than the Islamic Republic of Iran, no doubt. But there is no way that Israel is safer than the UK for Jews or anyone else tbh. Especially not right now.

Speaking of histrionics, here is a fine example of the genre. She has turned off replies so I have quoted her asking her to provide evidence to back up her claims. I am not very hopeful of a response:

 

[Cloo]

I think some organisations put a lot of effort into spreading the idea among Israelis and American Jews that the UK is super-Islamic and we're about to have a Sharia government that's going to declare war on Jews. And they won't believe you when you say 'Mate, I live here, I think I know the political and social landscape better than you do'.

gsv has been having a big set-to with some of his US cousins on Facebook about him attending the march yesterday and they talk a lot about how outnumbered Jews are globally by Islam and I fear they're being pulled into this mindset that Something Needs To Be Done About The Muslims, which is a bit of an ironic fucking line of thought for Jews to take.

 

[TopCat]

Speaking of histrionics, here is a fine example of the genre. She has turned off replies so I have quoted her asking her to provide evidence to back up her claims. I am not very hopeful of a response:

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That’s one vile statement

 

[YouSir]

I think some organisations put a lot of effort into spreading the idea among Israelis and American Jews that the UK is super-Islamic and we're about to have a Sharia government that's going to declare war on Jews. And they won't believe you when you say 'Mate, I live here, I think I know the political and social landscape better than you do'.

gsv has been having a big set-to with some of his US cousins on Facebook about him attending the march yesterday and they talk a lot about how outnumbered Jews are globally by Islam and I fear they're being pulled into this mindset that Something Needs To Be Done About The Muslims, which is a bit of an ironic fucking line of thought for Jews to take.

Is there any kind of notable reaction to antisemitism from the Right and conspiracist movements? I'm just an observer but I've written a bit on conspiracy stuff especially and the way the Right has been linking up with that over recent years is really consistent and saturated in antisemitism, social media is a hotbed for it (and it's around the edges of all sorts of protests and activism). So rarely seems to get any attention though and even when it does it's usually just a passing nod of 'well of course they're antisemitic', which seems like a weirdly muted reaction.