Are you going on the “Hate March”? (11/11/23) - Poll

[Fozzie Bear]

A mate was in some antifa chat group which seemed to mainly be “lol they are getting kettled / fighting each other / getting turned over by the cops”.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

So the "Hate" was the Fash.

Im wondering if Cruella should be sacked now for whipping this up and encouraging them

Tories like her don't realize what they are whipping up when they go for the hard right message. They think they can control it and build a political career on it.
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She should be sacked, but it's anyone's guess whether she actually will be... Sunak (and Labour) are already trying to muddy the waters around what happened today with the "both sides" stuff.

I don't think she can be that stupid as to what she's whipping up. Same as the right wing papers. I think they know full well the type of people they are speaking to. Of course, they'll pretend that's not what they wanted when it all kicks off rather than admit responsibility.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

A mate saw Gove get confronted by protestors at Victoria station and bundled into a cop van.

I hope he didn't have any class As on him.

 

[Wilf]

This hard fella up front impressed as well...

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[8ball]

Just catching up on t’news.

300,000.
Incredible.

 

[Gramsci]

The atmosphere at demo was good. The placards are more angry.

I actually think it was good for my head to be in big group of people who think like me.

Given the appalling stuff coming from Evening Standard ( my London paper) , Tories and Starmer.

 

[Wilf]

The atmosphere at demo was good. The placards are more angry.

I actually think it was good for my head to be in big group of people who think like me.

Given the appalling stuff coming from Evening Standard ( my London paper) , Tories and Starmer.

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Some pretty spot on placards there.

 

[brogdale]

The atmosphere at demo was good. The placards are more angry.

I actually think it was good for my head to be in big group of people who think like me.

Given the appalling stuff coming from Evening Standard ( my London paper) , Tories and Starmer.

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very much appreciating your pics today Gramsci ,but that Hitler one is problematic, no?

 

[Gramsci]

Some pretty spot on placards there.

Yes the large number of home made placards are actually better than the regular political ones handed out.

Give a snapshot of what people think.

And imo what a lot of ordinary people think is spot on. Never underestimate the intelligence of joe public.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

very much appreciating your pics today Gramsci ,but that Hitler one is problematic, no?

I'm starting to wonder. Arbitrary detention and murder of Palestinians was already happening. Netanyahu is openly racist. He aspires to a 'pure' Israel for Jews only. And now he's in the process of carrying out genocide against 'human animals', while members of his government advocate nuking 2 million people in hate-filled spewings. What more does he have to do before we are allowed to compare him to Hitler?

The one I potentially have a problem with is the 'You can't kill a people who know death is not the end' one.

 

[Gramsci]

very much appreciating your pics today Gramsci ,but that Hitler one is problematic, no?

Yes it is but it was not the only one.

Its a viewpoint I can understand given the hard right government in Israel. This does not mean that it that all Israelis think like their government.

Zionism - the present Israeli government version has a lot of similarities to fascism/ hard right nationalist ethnic nationalism. The present government is heir to Right wing Zionism.

Given what is being done to Gaza and what is happening in West Bank with settler violence ( not stopped by government) Id say the present lot in government - which now includes the opposition- are acting in fascist way to Palestinians.

I was wary of calling the bombing of Gaza genocide.

But looks to me that this is similar to 48.

Though the leading lights in 48 were left Zionists - David Ben Gurion.

Given what is happening to Gaza thinking on it Id say yes compare it to Nazis now.

They have already said these people are human animals.

Zionism always was racist. Whether Left or right versions.

 

[Gramsci]

The one I potentially have a problem with is the 'You can't kill a people who know death is not the end' one.

I asked that guy if it was ok to take a photo.

I now what you mean. That was one were, I cant quite put my finger on it, I wasn't that sure about.

 

[Wilf]

I'm starting to wonder. Arbitrary detention and murder of Palestinians was already happening. Netanyahu is openly racist. He aspires to a 'pure' Israel for Jews only. And now he's in the process of carrying out genocide against 'human animals', while members of his government advocate nuking 2 million people in hate-filled spewings. What more does he have to do before we are allowed to compare him to Hitler?

The one I potentially have a problem with is the 'You can't kill a people who know death is not the end' one.

From where I am, I'd keep references to Hitler well away from comparisons to Israel. But if I was Palestinian, things would be very different.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I asked that guy if it was ok to take a photo.

I now what you mean. That was one were, I cant quite put my finger on it, I wasn't that sure about.

Sure. I wasn't questioning you taking the photo. It's the religious undertones I don't like. I've seen a few like that. They smack of 'god is on our side'.

 

[8ball]

The one I potentially have a problem with is the 'You can't kill a people who know death is not the end' one.

Clearly factually incorrect as well as kinda chilling.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Clearly factually incorrect as well as kinda chilling.

Yeah it's martyr-adjacent. I know Palestinians use the term martyr a lot and we shouldn't read too much into it. But from my secular pov it doesn't sit quite right.

 

[Wilf]

Though not quite as worrying as doctors calling for the bombing of hospitals.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

From where I am, I'd keep references to Hitler well away from comparisons to Israel. But if I was Palestinian, things would be very different.

I've always thought this - South Africa yes, Hitler no. But there comes a limit. At the point where it is just openly genocide, where the term 'ethnic cleansing' is no longer adequate. I'm certainly at a point where I'm not going to criticise others for making the comparison.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

 

[Miss-Shelf]

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Maybe I'm just getting old, given that I normally like to see leftish protests get a bit spikier. Today thought would have been a 100% win had it stayed entirely peaceful on the PCS/Palestine side. Of course none of this will make much difference either way to the Palestinian people, but a massive and peaceful demo would have demonstrated A) public support for the cause and B) Cruella,, kieth and Sunak are a bunch of devious liars. Anyway, not that important, the turnout was the real issue.

Maybe I'm just getting old, given that I normally like to see leftish protests get a bit spikier. Today thought would have been a 100% win had it stayed entirely peaceful on the PCS/Palestine side. Of course none of this will make much difference either way to the Palestinian people, but a massive and peaceful demo would have demonstrated A) public support for the cause and B) Cruella,, kieth and Sunak are a bunch of devious liars. Anyway, not that important, the turnout was the real issue.

Maybe I'm just getting old, given that I normally like to see leftish protests get a bit spikier. Today thought would have been a 100% win had it stayed entirely peaceful on the PCS/Palestine side. Of course none of this will make much difference either way to the Palestinian people, but a massive and peaceful demo would have demonstrated A) public support for the cause and B) Cruella,, kieth and Sunak are a bunch of devious liars. Anyway, not that important, the turnout was the real issue.

Maybe I'm just getting old, given that I normally like to see leftish protests get a bit spikier. Today thought would have been a 100% win had it stayed entirely peaceful on the PCS/Palestine side. Of course none of this will make much difference either way to the Palestinian people, but a massive and peaceful demo would have demonstrated A) public support for the cause and B) Cruella,, kieth and Sunak are a bunch of devious liars. Anyway, not that important, the turnout was the real issue.

Maybe I'm just getting old, given that I normally like to see leftish protests get a bit spikier. Today thought would have been a 100% win had it stayed entirely peaceful on the PCS/Palestine side. Of course none of this will make much difference either way to the Palestinian people, but a massive and peaceful demo would have demonstrated A) public support for the cause and B) Cruella,, kieth and Sunak are a bunch of devious liars. Anyway, not that important, the turnout was the real issue.

Maybe I'm just getting old, given that I normally like to see leftish protests get a bit spikier. Today thought would have been a 100% win had it stayed entirely peaceful on the PCS/Palestine side. Of course none of this will make much difference either way to the Palestinian people, but a massive and peaceful demo would have demonstrated A) public support for the cause and B) Cruella,, kieth and Sunak are a bunch of devious liars. Anyway, not that important, the turnout was the real issue.

Maybe I'm just getting old, given that I normally like to see leftish protests get a bit spikier. Today thought would have been a 100% win had it stayed entirely peaceful on the PCS/Palestine side. Of course none of this will make much difference either way to the Palestinian people, but a massive and peaceful demo would have demonstrated A) public support for the cause and B) Cruella,, kieth and Sunak are a bunch of devious liars. Anyway, not that important, the turnout was the real issue.

 

[two sheds]

you can say that again

 

[8ball]

Though not quite as worrying as doctors calling for the bombing of hospitals.

You have a pic of that placard?

 

[Wilf]

you can say that again

I know and I'm not actually sure I agree with my own post anymore! I thought they'd all got arrested, whereas they were merely kettled I think.

 

[Wilf]

You have a pic of that placard?

No, it wasn't a placard.

 

[two sheds]

I know and I'm not actually sure I agree with my own post anymore! I thought they'd all got arrested, whereas they were merely kettled I think.

That would be good, let's hope.

 

[8ball]

No, it wasn't a placard.

Prob wouldn’t have been popular at the protest tbf.

 

[Lord Camomile]

A mate was in some antifa chat group which seemed to mainly be “lol they are getting kettled / fighting each other / getting turned over by the cops”.

I was just going to say, there is some fun in seeing the guys around the Cenotaph and their supporters online complaining about kettling and antagonistic police and the like being the cause of the violence and unrest.

Do hope they'll remember that next time they want to blame 'anifa hooligans' or whatever. Alas, might be a bit much to ask them to engage in that kind of critical thinking so quickly, but y'never know...

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Got to laugh at the whole "counter protestors" thing. Don't think I saw a single placard or banner in any footage of those cunts.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Got to laugh at the whole "counter protestors" thing. Don't think I saw a single placard or banner in any footage of those cunts.

The protester's tools will never counter the protesters

 

[8ball]

Got to laugh at the whole "counter protestors" thing. Don't think I saw a single placard or banner in any footage of those cunts.

I thought the small “show respect” sign mentioned earlier might just have been someone concerned that any meddling with the cenotaph or whatever would sully the whole message rather than something more far right.

Overall, though, when the bulk of arrests are of fashy flag-shaggers it sends a message of unity on the main points.