Another Lib Dem anti-Semite

[DotCommunist]

I agree. He is lazy. He knows his target audience (Musilm voters?) already tend to make this equivalence. Therefore he chooses to use the lowest common denominator... to use terms they 'get' at a gut level rather than an intellectual one. As a safety measure he also dresses it up so that it is something of an appeal to a British snese of 'fair play' too.

But the fact that he can even use such language... language that politicians in the much-more-openly racist 70's would have shied away from... is a measure of the success of Zionist propaganda as well as the historical prevalence of anti-Semitism

this is why alarm bells rang with me, esp when MC jaspah praised him for refusing to back down. It does seem like sectarian politicking imo.

 

[butchersapron]

Or making clear why Ward is wrong without blaming it on Israel whilst pointing out the uses made by the Israeli state of clowns like him. An open an unambiguous fuck you to anti-antisemitism rather than suggesting that Israel produces it.

 

[frogwoman]

No. That is why I am surprised that you're arguing this line. Anti-semitism is not innate, it is a result of divide-and-rule politics through the ages, with Jewish people being an easy target because they possessed no territory and so were always a minority wherever they lived.

I can't see how it is possible to more or less dismiss the role of Israel in promoting anti-semitism when they employ divide-and-rule politics using precisely the same language as Ward did and are the only media-friendly state (apart from the US, sometimes) that does so.

That doesn't mean he's not a racist, opportunist dick. It doesn't absolve him of personal responsibility. It just means that somehow this kind of language is still utterable by a centrist political figure. It's unimaginable that the same sort of statement might be made in relation to black people. Such statements can only be got away with if they are about Jews or Muslims, and he probably wouldn't be getting this much stick from his party or the press if he'd said something similar about Muslims, it's kinda trendy these days.

I didn't say it was innate. Just that I don't think his views can necessarily be put down to influence by "zionist propaganda". Perhaps he spends all day listening to the Mark Regev channel but I doubt it.

 

[frogwoman]

Or making clear why Ward is wrong without blaming it on Israel whilst pointing out the uses made by the Israeli state of clowns like him. An open an unambiguous fuck you to anti-antisemitism rather than suggesting that Israel produces it.

EXACTLY.

 

[frogwoman]

If every time during a discussion on anti-muslim racism people came out with "well the iranian state or the saudi arabian state try to make it look like all muslims agree with them so it could be their fault" well it would be a bit fucking stupid wouldn't it. Not saying you're doing this ymu, it just often comes up.

 

[ymu]

I didn't say it was innate. Just that I don't think his views can necessarily be put down to influence by "zionist propaganda". Perhaps he spends all day listening to the Mark Regev channel but I doubt it.

You don't watch the BBC then? They appointed a Middle East Tsar (a Zionist one, of course) to ensure 'balanced' reporting a few years back (think it was after Operation Defensive Shield and all that terrible reporting of the truth).

 

[DotCommunist]

it is proper cynical shittery on a par with galloways 'god knows who is a muslim' to make statements that you know will resonate, or hope will, a significsnt proportion of the electorste. Our hollobone does this all the time with reference to muslim immigration, and recently with romanian/bulgarian and previously with the turkish threat. All easy to do when the electorate doesn't have a voting population that you are singling out eh. Fucking grubby politics.

 

[ymu]

If every time during a discussion on anti-muslim racism people came out with "well the iranian state or the saudi arabian state try to make it look like all muslims agree with them so it could be their fault" well it would be a bit fucking stupid wouldn't it. Not saying you're doing this ymu, it just often comes up.

Precisely. That is why I find it implausible that he could gain more electoral advantage from this form of wording than the truth. He'd get just as much publicity and more electoral support for being pro-Palestinian without being anti-semitic. There'd be a media offensive against him regardless and Israel would be calling him an anti-semite regardless.

 

[Garek]

I've just realised I wrote Toynbee at the beginning of this thread. I meant Jenny Tonge

 

[frogwoman]

Precisely. That is why I find it implausible that he could gain more electoral advantage from this form of wording than the truth. He'd get just as much publicity and more electoral support for being pro-Palestinian without being anti-semitic. There'd be a media offensive against him regardless and Israel would be calling him an anti-semite regardless.

Is there a media offensive now?

Who is calling him anti-semitic?

 

[Garek]

this is why alarm bells rang with me, esp when MC jaspah praised him for refusing to back down. It does seem like sectarian politicking imo.

Not sure if it has already been mentioned but there have "Support David Ward" event such as these 1 2

 

[frogwoman]

And forgive me if my sympathy is limited about a media offensive about a man who not only used carelessly and possibly anti-semitic language and is now acting like a martyr on the cross, meanwhile being a member of a party which is spearheading some of the biggest attacks on living standards and conditions for living memory. Media offensive my fucking arse, sure he can cope with a couple of people on the board of deputies raising their eyebrows at him for a bit.

 

[frogwoman]

Not sure if it has already been mentioned but there have "Support David Ward" event such as these 1 2

Where are the oppose david ward events? Where is tdhe media offensive?

 

[Garek]

Where are the oppose david ward events? Where is tdhe media offensive?

um, not sure. I think I need to read the last few pages as this thread seems to have moved on a lot since I last read it and I feel like I have walked into the middle of a barney.

 

[butchersapron]

um, not sure. I think I need to read the last few pages as this thread seems to have moved on a lot since I last read it and I feel like I have walked into the middle of a barney.

Indeed, Fuck Mr ward.

 

[frogwoman]

“The chief whip has assured us that Mr Ward’s latest comments will be dealt with as a fresh issue,” said communal leaders from the Board of Deputies, the Community Security Trust, the Jewish Leadership Council and the Holocaust Educational Trust in a statement released following the meeting, which also included Liberal Democrat chief executive Tim Gordon.

Not much of a witch hunt.

 

[frogwoman]

Nick Clegg, questioned on David Ward's comments during his weekly LBC phone-in show, denied that he had not been tough enough.
"I stand by his apology," said Mr Clegg. "He was right to apologise because he was wrong."

the zionist media machine flexes its muscles.

 

[Garek]

You don't watch the BBC then? They appointed a Middle East Tsar (a Zionist one, of course) to ensure 'balanced' reporting a few years back (think it was after Operation Defensive Shield and all that terrible reporting of the truth).

Could you expand on that? It currently reads as though you are saying there is a Zionist in the media making sure that Israel gets favourable coverage. I am not quite sure you realise how wrong that sounds.

 

[frogwoman]

The meeting will include speeches from Reverend Geoff Reid, a representative from the Bradford Council of Mosques, David Ward MP and others.
It has been organised by people in Bradford who are not linked to any political party or organisation.

Sure they aren't. Just concerned citizens.

Meanwhile the lib-dems' crimes go ignored in favour of a display of progressive religious nationalism.

http://falseeconomy.org.uk/cuts/north-east/BD/t1

http://disability-cuts-map.demos.co.uk/local-authority/bradford/

Fucking scum.

 

[ymu]

Is there a media offensive now?

Who is calling him anti-semitic?

Yes.

Almost everyone who's read the story. Because he is.

 

[frogwoman]

You don't watch the BBC then? They appointed a Middle East Tsar (a Zionist one, of course) to ensure 'balanced' reporting a few years back (think it was after Operation Defensive Shield and all that terrible reporting of the truth).

He's a fucking MP.

 

[ymu]

And forgive me if my sympathy is limited about a media offensive about a man who not only used carelessly and possibly anti-semitic language and is now acting like a martyr on the cross, meanwhile being a member of a party which is spearheading some of the biggest attacks on living standards and conditions for living memory. Media offensive my fucking arse, sure he can cope with a couple of people on the board of deputies raising their eyebrows at him for a bit.

He needs and wants the media offensive. I didn't say he was complaining about it, I said he could have achieved the same column inches without using an anti-semitic form of words to make his point, and he wouldn't have lost himself the anti-racist vote along the way.

 

[frogwoman]

Public events outside his surgery to support this cunt. Jesus. Sorry ymu.

 

[ymu]

Could you expand on that? It currently reads as though you are saying there is a Zionist in the media making sure that Israel gets favourable coverage. I am not quite sure you realise how wrong that sounds.

There is. The tone of BBC News 24 changes completely at 6.30am and stays that way until after the main evening news.

 

[butchersapron]

Must support David Davis Ward

 

[ymu]

Public events outside his surgery to support this cunt. Jesus. Sorry ymu.

Of course there are some. Denying that there are any is as ridiculous as implying that these views are held by all, or most, or even a substantial minority of either group. They're not and arguing against David Ward does not mean mirroring his argument in reverse. He could have gained as much electorally by telling the truth.

 

[frogwoman]

some of the people going on those demos won't be anti-semitic, just clueless. i was not having a go at you with that last post, i'm just depressed. How the fuck can this happen.

 

[butchersapron]

He would not have gained the publicity by not making daft comments.

 

[butchersapron]

some of the people going on those demos won't be anti-semitic, just clueless. i was not having a go at you with that last post, i'm just depressed. How the fuck can this happen.

Because Israelites made it happen. Or because others don't challenge that nonsense forcefully enough.

 

[frogwoman]

There is. The tone of BBC News 24 changes completely at 6.30am and stays that way until after the main evening news.

The BBC's news coverage reflects the views of the British state and a certain "dissenting" portion of its establishment not zionists.