Another Lib Dem anti-Semite
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mdc
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i'm sorry i should have been more explicit, what youve quoted is what is supposed to happen, but unfortunately it rarely does if at all
mdc
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
mdc
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i never said that,
anyway it's been an experience.
I'm off to find out what my daughter was just going on about.
enjoy a night of ranting folks
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I would have thought that it would be just as accurate to say that the nation should ensure that the government has a moral code. It should be a two-way process, of course, but it isn't to the extent that it isn't due to the power and wealth structures of societies that ensure that power is largely in the control of certain sectors of that society. Is this any different in Israel? Perhaps Israel has lessons for others to learn about truly representative government?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Anyway I'm sure that Anglicans living in Africa will be pleased to know that when a disabled person dies as a result of this government's actions or when another few hundred people die in Iraq it will all be their fault. Perhaps they didn't pray hard enough. They are part of the Church of England so they obviously share responsibility for everything the UK's government does.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
elbows
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mdc
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i was just being flippant with the rant remark,
i will come back on and try to explain myself but i need to go now
mdc
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i point the no doubt honourable elbow to my previous reply re the use of the word ranting
i'll come back on and try to explain, until then
keep you mind open
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
There is no reason why Jews "should know better". There is no reason why we "should" be better than anyone else. Unless you are religious and go along with the idea of the "chosen people" who are commanded by god to hold themselves to higher ethical and moral standards to anyone else, which is a religious, rather than political idea so often criticised by the same people peddling this line as leading to zionist supremacism, ironically.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I remember hitch-hiking when I was 18 or 19 and getting a lift from a black lorry-driver. We chatted about this and that amiably for most of the journey, but towards the end he started coming out with some real homophobic stuff and I remember being a bit surprised that someone from a minority that had suffered lots of abuse seemed so full of hatred for another minority. As I say, I was only young then.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I'm surprised to see people who are not religious jews argue that jews should have moral spiritual and ethical standards that are higher than everyone else due to special historical and religious circumstances, in other words act like "the chosen people" and give the same arguments that religious jews have given throughout the centuries as support for theological views on the election of israel 0- the suffering of israel, the maintenance of the faith in difficult circumstances etc, the behaviour of the jews' enemies etc. Especially when they then criticise this idea which they promote themselves for leading to zionism and racism.
your a bloke right?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Israel proper (excluding the Occupied Territories) is barely 70% Jewish and the majority of Jews live elsewhere. Why are you assigning its crimes to all Jews?
Why, for that matter, are you concluding that all people abused in childhood go on to be abusers? Most abusers were themselves abused but it doesn't work the other way around. If it did there would be an exponential growth in the number of abusers and there'd be virtually no non-abusive types left by now.
Ward could have said that the state of Israel has no right to co-opt the tragedy of the Holocaust in order to justify its disgusting conduct and that it does not represent all Jewish people and must stop claiming that it does.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
It might not have the right to do this but a lot of zionist actions are justified in those terms not by israel, but by people who may otherwise have opposed what they did, and believed on those terms, oddly enough the more israel heads into the abyss the stronger the fear gets and the more the possibility of this is believed. another holocaust happening again is something that a lot of people fear, my family are hardly the most religious or involved people in the community but i was exposed to constant paranoia about anti-semitism growing up, and I don't think it is down to people being weird. No these fears are not justified today, but i think that it is important to understand how they come about rather than just have a load of moral outrage about it.(not having go at you btw, just saying that aspect of the debate tends to piss me off a bit)
i know israel has no right to do this - why do people think it does?
i know israel has no right to do this - why do people think it does?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Why do people believe that most people on benefits are scroungers? It's not like they go around interrogating every Jewish person they meet about how they feel about Israel. Well, some do, but those are mostly idiots of the anti-Zionist and anti-semitic kind.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i'm not agreeing with them. just that i think something more than moral outrage is needed if you are going to persuade people to actively oppose zionism. some of them might do already, but be very uncomfortable with the organised movement. and as i said, i'm not having a go at you specifically, it's just a general point.
Haven't read the thread btw... just the first page.
Would anybody else consider... just for the purposes of reflection... that the fact that this MP insists on conflating Zionists with 'Jews' to be less an involuntary admission of his personal anti-Semitism... and more a measure of the roaring success for Zionist propaganda.
It has taken 50 years... but appears to have been achieved.
“It would be my greatest sadness to see Zionists do to Palestinian Arabs much of what Nazis did to Jews.”
― Albert Einstein
I would love to know what Zionist contemporaries of Albert's said about his statement at the time.
Would anybody else consider... just for the purposes of reflection... that the fact that this MP insists on conflating Zionists with 'Jews' to be less an involuntary admission of his personal anti-Semitism... and more a measure of the roaring success for Zionist propaganda.
It has taken 50 years... but appears to have been achieved.
“It would be my greatest sadness to see Zionists do to Palestinian Arabs much of what Nazis did to Jews.”
― Albert Einstein
I would love to know what Zionist contemporaries of Albert's said about his statement at the time.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That statement is a different statement. It means something different.
Yes. I understand that.
However, the question I asked was "Would anybody else consider... just for the purposes of reflection... that the fact that this MP insists on conflating Zionists with 'Jews' to be less an involuntary admission of his personal anti-Semitism... and more a measure of the roaring success for Zionist propaganda."
However, the question I asked was "Would anybody else consider... just for the purposes of reflection... that the fact that this MP insists on conflating Zionists with 'Jews' to be less an involuntary admission of his personal anti-Semitism... and more a measure of the roaring success for Zionist propaganda."
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