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And now a French General election too (2024)

gosub said:
EU intergration pretty much calls for Federalism the right are hankering after a confederation
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Mind you ..same thing is going on in the States...and you end with Arizona moving from Roe vs Wade to fucking war ideas of woman's rights
 
gosub said:
It does have some integrity.
The EUros elections were defo one in the eye for Macron's European worldview . After rule by Presidental decree probably had that coming. That said the 'pour encourage les autres' approach to Brexit seems to have worked with regards France's rightist parties. They are swimming against the tide though. Well the undertow of ever closer union and the reform needed. Be intresting to see who does have the wind and whom is more adept with daggerboard setting.


Will be an intresting election...or not if ours is anything to go by.
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I disagree a bit - as with most European elections, domestic issues are usually more prominent and this seems to be no exception. Macron has always been seen by a lot as a fairly nauseating hybrid of the trained domestic political elite and an Atlanticist like Blair, and some of his recent decisions (appointing Attal especially but also this troops to Ukraine nonsense) have really reinforced that view. I wouldn't be that surprised if they get an even bigger kicking in the legislative elections than they did over the weekend.
 
agricola said:
I disagree a bit - as with most European elections, domestic issues are usually more prominent and this seems to be no exception. Macron has always been seen by a lot as a fairly nauseating hybrid of the trained domestic political elite and an Atlanticist like Blair, and some of his recent decisions (appointing Attal especially but also this troops to Ukraine nonsense) have really reinforced that view. I wouldn't be that surprised if they get an even bigger kicking in the legislative elections than they did over the weekend.
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Agree it could go either way. But short marker to take out too much momentum gain...but it could be like Cameron...no way he could have got another treaty through without that referendum...doable if he'd won it
 
TBF, Ciotti was always proto-fash. If they build a powerplant in Haute-Marne, they could hook it up to de Gaulle's grave and use the spinning to power all of France.
 
ska invita said:
Can you explain what this is please
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That's the Left forming an alliance against the fash. It's a Good Thing. Followed by my post saying the Gallic Tories are doing the same thing. (think Tory-Reform merger with added fash for seasoning)
 
Chz said:
That's the Left forming an alliance against the fash. It's a Good Thing. Followed by my post saying the Gallic Tories are doing the same thing. (think Tory-Reform merger with added fash for seasoning)
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What happened to NUPES?
 
ska invita said:
What happened to NUPES?
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The Socialist Party criticised Melechon for not condemning Hamas and October 7th. When Melechon refused the SP said it was impossible to work with him. Hence no NUPES in the Euro election and the fact that the SP were polling higher led some to believe that the SP would try and form their own alliance. The Popular Front is pretty much the same groups as NUPES.
 
The39thStep said:
The Socialist Party criticised Melechon for not condemning Hamas and October 7th. When Melechon refused the SP said it was impossible to work with him. Hence no NUPES in the Euro election and the fact that the SP were polling higher led some to believe that the SP would try and form their own alliance.
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There were issues long before (not sure if the link will work, Le Monde can be funny for non subscribers sometimes and it can be random whether it opens or decides to paywall)

Jean-Luc Mélenchon puts left-wing NUPES alliance through the wringer
 
Oriole said:
There were issues long before (not sure if the link will work, Le Monde can be funny for non subscribers sometimes and it can be random whether it opens or decides to paywall)

Jean-Luc Mélenchon puts left-wing NUPES alliance through the wringer
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Thanks. Sure, its was an alliance not a merger , the SP as I remember was late to the show. Both alliances strand quite a wide range of 'left ' although it doesn't include the revolutionary left. The alliance by its nature was always tenuous and the do you condemn Hamas stuff pushed NUPES over the edge.
 
  • As mentioned yesterday, the President of Les Républicains announced an agreement with Le Pen's RN, confirmed by frontrunner Jordan Bardella. Most Républicains leaders are furious, and ask for their current president's dismissal. The party's statutes don't mention this possibility though, so the party (with its De Gaulle and Chirac legacy of hating the Le Pens) is officially exploding. It's a long held belief that Macron always wanted to kill that party, and today he finally succeeded. Trivia: Jean-Marie Le Pen admitted in 2018 that he had planned to violently free the instigator of the attempted murder of President De Gaulle in 1962, marking him a co-conspirator in this attack. His daughter metaphorically finished the job, with some presidential help.
  • The RN declined the offer for an alliance with Marion Marechal's Reconquête party. The official reason is 'we don't want anything to do with its president (ex right-wing pundit) Éric Zemmour in any way'. The hate is strong with this one.
  • Right wing pundits are horrified of the Front Populaire alliance of the Left parties. it must be working somehow, but still no details.
  • Confirmation that the dissolution decision was influenced by a small group of close advisors for Macron, a.k.a yes-men (gift article in French from Le Monde). The most right-wing advisors steered the President to this option, inspired by the glorious history of French politics. Macron is big on the symbols from History, as a way to please all political sides.
 
Serge Forward said:
Can't read threads. You should put it in that thread reader thingy for those of us not on xitter.
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Noted 🫡

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@RnaudBertrand: These have undoubtedly been the wildest 72 hours in French politics in my lifetime. Pretty incredible stuff. A 🧵 So after losing big time in the EU elections to Le Pen's Rassemblement National (RN), ...…
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  • The Left parties reached a formal agreement, and will be officializing the New Popular Front (inspired by the old Popular Front from 1936) today Friday at noon, presenting their platform and the list of candidates. Most pundits are impressed by the short negotiations and lack of drama. No clear figure emerges yet as a potential Prime Minister. Jean-Luc Mélenchon is surprisingly humble, even declining to participate in a TV debate.
  • On the Far right, Bardella is confirming that 70 previously Républicains candidates will be anointed by the RN, fueling the fire in this party.
  • The Les Républicains drama continues. President Eric Ciotti contested his ousting, suing to cancel that decision. The other leaders then organized a new meeting, within the party rules, and fired him again. Nobody knows who is talking on behalf of the party, and which label to use for the LR candidates in each circonscription. It's a mess of unprecedented proportions.
  • Various leaders (Hollande on the Left, Braun-Pivet on the Right) start to talk about the 2nd turn, and propose to deny any vote to the RN, as long as the remaining candidate is on the Republican Axis (ie. respecting the rules of the Republic). This usually rejects candidates from RN and Mélenchon's LFI.

The rumors on the New Popular Front's program are the usual mix of Minimum Wages augmentation, Retirement age promises, price fixing for essential goods, indexing of wages on inflation, mixed with Ukraine support and clarifications on the Gaza War. LFI has a clear pro-Palestinian position, so they are considered as antisemitic by the rest of the political landscape. But the program should condemn with equal strength the terrorist Hamas attack and the Israel disproportioned response, and ask for a liberation of all hostages and an immediate cease-fire.
 
Chz said:
  • The Left parties reached a formal agreement, and will be officializing the New Popular Front (inspired by the old Popular Front from 1936) today Friday at noon, presenting their platform and the list of candidates. Most pundits are impressed by the short negotiations and lack of drama. No clear figure emerges yet as a potential Prime Minister. Jean-Luc Mélenchon is surprisingly humble, even declining to participate in a TV debate.
  • On the Far right, Bardella is confirming that 70 previously Républicains candidates will be anointed by the RN, fueling the fire in this party.
  • The Les Républicains drama continues. President Eric Ciotti contested his ousting, suing to cancel that decision. The other leaders then organized a new meeting, within the party rules, and fired him again. Nobody knows who is talking on behalf of the party, and which label to use for the LR candidates in each circonscription. It's a mess of unprecedented proportions.
  • Various leaders (Hollande on the Left, Braun-Pivet on the Right) start to talk about the 2nd turn, and propose to deny any vote to the RN, as long as the remaining candidate is on the Republican Axis (ie. respecting the rules of the Republic). This usually rejects candidates from RN and Mélenchon's LFI.

The rumors on the New Popular Front's program are the usual mix of Minimum Wages augmentation, Retirement age promises, price fixing for essential goods, indexing of wages on inflation, mixed with Ukraine support and clarifications on the Gaza War. LFI has a clear pro-Palestinian position, so they are considered as antisemitic by the rest of the political landscape. But the program should condemn with equal strength the terrorist Hamas attack and the Israel disproportioned response, and ask for a liberation of all hostages and an immediate cease-fire.
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Where are you cutting and pasting this from?
 
Chz said:
Getting an update from someone on another forum. Apologies for not fully correcting the language, but he's not an Anglophone first.
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No probs with the language, I have similar problems using Portuguese sites. It was the source I was interested in and some of the analysis
 
For example, the last paragraph's reference to what the programme should be about is very much what Glucksmann the Place Publique founder and the Socialist Party been pushing .
 
The39thStep said:
No probs with the language, I have similar problems using Portuguese sites. It was the source I was interested in and some of the analysis
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I've been tempted to keep it to facts only, but then I'm introducing my own editorial bent and skewing it further; so I decided to just copy wholesale, with anything that strikes me as totally unreadable tweaked for language.
 
Chz said:
I've been tempted to keep it to facts only, but then I'm introducing my own editorial bent and skewing it further; so I decided to just copy wholesale, with anything that strikes me as totally unreadable tweaked for language.
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The info is useful and posters can respond if they don't agree or wish to add. Might be appropriate to quote where quoting and then adding your comments?
 
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