And next, Syria?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You mean being treated as an enemy combatant? Not sure he'd have that much useful info for two years worth of 'debriefing' unless he turned out to actually be al-Baghdadi himself.
The last serious reports were mid 2017 when many captured fighters said he was in mosul just before isis lost it, some said he was smuggled out with top isis, some that he was killed in an airstrike. Then v similar stories when raqqa fell. Now a surge of isis captures and consequent interrogations and he's back alive - and someone high up and clearly informed of what went on in those interrogations saying something pretty bloody definite.
The last serious reports were mid 2017 when many captured fighters said he was in mosul just before isis lost it, some said he was smuggled out with top isis, some that he was killed in an airstrike. Then v similar stories when raqqa fell. Now a surge of isis captures and consequent interrogations and he's back alive - and someone high up and clearly informed of what went on in those interrogations saying something pretty bloody definite.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
More seriously I do hope he’s OK.
I do wonder about the wisdom of publicly stating that he’s still alive, as that will doubtless increase his value to his captors and put him more at risk. Could be other games in play I suppose.
Is there even any kind of ISIS media operation still functioning that he could be used for like in the past? Is it not more useful for them to point out he is still alive, either as a bargaining chip or human shield?
On a more general point there has definitely been a change in the way hostages are reported on in the last few years, looks like deliberate downplaying, not like when ISIS has control of the front pages.
I do wonder about the wisdom of publicly stating that he’s still alive, as that will doubtless increase his value to his captors and put him more at risk. Could be other games in play I suppose.
Is there even any kind of ISIS media operation still functioning that he could be used for like in the past? Is it not more useful for them to point out he is still alive, either as a bargaining chip or human shield?
On a more general point there has definitely been a change in the way hostages are reported on in the last few years, looks like deliberate downplaying, not like when ISIS has control of the front pages.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Wallace getting strips torn off him by the civil service for speaking out of turn. Couldn't resist the opportunity to say something newsworthy.
The original info seems to have come from the SDF, who tweeted it last month (as a reported sighting, nothing more), & now confirm they passed this info to the Brit foreign office in December. More lives than a cat, if true. And yeah, as butchersapron said above, could be linked to the ISIS propagandist captured recently, who presumably would know/recognise Cantlie from the video production work they were both involved with.
The original info seems to have come from the SDF, who tweeted it last month (as a reported sighting, nothing more), & now confirm they passed this info to the Brit foreign office in December. More lives than a cat, if true. And yeah, as butchersapron said above, could be linked to the ISIS propagandist captured recently, who presumably would know/recognise Cantlie from the video production work they were both involved with.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The OPCW say that a chemical attack took place. That's something - right?
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Wow that’s a first from the OPCW 
teqniq
DisMembered
Yep. And nothing will be done as per. Though it is interesting to see a couple of alleged ex-secret service types being arrested in Germany suspected of being complicit in torture. No-one at the top is likely to pay for what they have done, much as I might like it to be, but still.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Tank mad(have you seen his videos? This man loves a tank) Almassian, of “Syriana Analysis” propaganda vids on YouTube, has only gone and joined the Afd!
Assad supporter flees to Germany . . . and wins job at anti-migrant AfD
Assad supporter flees to Germany . . . and wins job at anti-migrant AfD
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pls cld you c&p the paywalled text
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
rekil
to menny cranks
Tank mad he may be but he doesn't fancy doing his military service. Perhaps he's performing a role for the regime in Germany. He needs to be fucked out pronto. Before he set his instagram to private I noticed that he had a pic of himself at the 'antiwar' cafe in Berlin which is a hub of weed addled conspiraloon delirium and has been used for pro-Assad events.
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
Just a quick question - I've seen on a couple of threads and in the media that the raised index finger is seen as a gesture that has been used by ISIS (signifying the oneness of Allah or some such), but as an 'ISIS' thing as opposed to a gesture that just happens to be local to the region.
However, I saw a short (and harrowing) film* at the weekend involving a lot of GoPro helmet-cam footage from Syrian resistance fighters (YPG, I think), and this gesture was used quite a lot, especially when they had won a small victory in the gruelling grind of the conflict.
Made me wonder whether we in the West had misjudged the significance and applicability of the gesture. Any thoughts?
* - People Of The Wasteland, if you want to look it up
However, I saw a short (and harrowing) film* at the weekend involving a lot of GoPro helmet-cam footage from Syrian resistance fighters (YPG, I think), and this gesture was used quite a lot, especially when they had won a small victory in the gruelling grind of the conflict.
Made me wonder whether we in the West had misjudged the significance and applicability of the gesture. Any thoughts?
* - People Of The Wasteland, if you want to look it up
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's like shouting Allāhu akbar - a generic reaction based on pre-existing culture rather than a sign of ideological commitment. Like shouting fuck or please god or anything. It's a multiple use thing that can mean, exactly that's a victory, that's one up. Like flicking the Vs at the away fans.
And the YPG are not resistance fighters. They never have been - they should have been - but too late. They fought ISIS not the regime.
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
Cheers, that was the sense I got from it.
And yes, fair point about my sloppy language there - I think this must have been resistance fighters and not the YPG.
teqniq
DisMembered
teqniq
DisMembered
petee
no gods, no malarkey
As Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, closes in on victory over an eight-year revolt, a secret, industrial-scale system of arbitrary arrests and torture prisons has been pivotal to his success. While the Syrian military, backed by Russia and Iran, fought armed rebels for territory, the government waged a ruthless war on civilians, throwing hundreds of thousands into filthy dungeons where thousands were tortured and killed.
Nearly 128,000 have never emerged, and are presumed to be either dead or still in custody, according to the Syrian Network for Human Rights, an independent monitoring group that keeps the most rigorous tally. Nearly 14,000 were “killed under torture.” Many prisoners die from conditions so dire that a United Nations investigation labeled the process “extermination.”
Inside Syria’s Secret Torture Prisons: How Bashar al-Assad Crushed Dissent
Nearly 128,000 have never emerged, and are presumed to be either dead or still in custody, according to the Syrian Network for Human Rights, an independent monitoring group that keeps the most rigorous tally. Nearly 14,000 were “killed under torture.” Many prisoners die from conditions so dire that a United Nations investigation labeled the process “extermination.”
Inside Syria’s Secret Torture Prisons: How Bashar al-Assad Crushed Dissent
rioted
redundant
They seem to have missed a bit out. Why would they do that?
Leaked Report: Douma "Chemical Attack" Likely Staged - OffGuardian
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Today came confirmation of the death of Syrian goalkeeper and revolutionary hero of Homs, Abdul-Baset al-Sarout, who was critically injured on the frontline two days ago. It came as a shock, as yesterday his condition was reported as being stable.
He lost almost his whole family but he never stopped fighting, and we will never forget him.
Come O May! The people await you
Their hearts longing for freedom await you;
Sweet Easter of those who work
Come and shine in the glory of the sun.
Sing a hymn of winged hope
To the great greenness that brings the fruit to ripeness
To the great flowering Ideal
Within which the shining future trembles.
O phalanxes of slaves, run away from
The worksites, the parched workshops,
Flee from the fields, from the swelling seas,
Put aside never-ending toil.
Let us raise our calloused hands,
Let us join together in a growing force.
We want to redeem our world,
Tyrannized by both sloth and gold.
Youth, grief, yearnings,
Springtimes of secret fascinations,
Green May of humankind,
Give your courage and your faith to our hearts.
Give flowers to the rebels who failed
Their sight fixed upon the break of dawn,
To the bold rebel who fights and works
To the far-seeing poet who sings and dies
Pietro Gori, 1890.
He lost almost his whole family but he never stopped fighting, and we will never forget him.
Come O May! The people await you
Their hearts longing for freedom await you;
Sweet Easter of those who work
Come and shine in the glory of the sun.
Sing a hymn of winged hope
To the great greenness that brings the fruit to ripeness
To the great flowering Ideal
Within which the shining future trembles.
O phalanxes of slaves, run away from
The worksites, the parched workshops,
Flee from the fields, from the swelling seas,
Put aside never-ending toil.
Let us raise our calloused hands,
Let us join together in a growing force.
We want to redeem our world,
Tyrannized by both sloth and gold.
Youth, grief, yearnings,
Springtimes of secret fascinations,
Green May of humankind,
Give your courage and your faith to our hearts.
Give flowers to the rebels who failed
Their sight fixed upon the break of dawn,
To the bold rebel who fights and works
To the far-seeing poet who sings and dies
Pietro Gori, 1890.
teqniq
DisMembered
The purge continues by any means necessary. Cunts.
Assad demolishes refugee homes to tighten grip on rebel strongholds
Assad demolishes refugee homes to tighten grip on rebel strongholds
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Every hospital burns. 100s of dead patients. Double tap- few more of responders - 10 or 20. Every school. Every place people gather. They burn. Few hundred more - each week over 2 months.
He uploaded his manifesto - it said assad or the country burns.
He is doing it - right now.
He uploaded his manifesto - it said assad or the country burns.
He is doing it - right now.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Just a wee bump, saw this on the Syria Solidarity page today, presumably taken by Raed Fares? I mind Robin Williams’ death bothered me cause I knew he spent all his life battling depression and you imagine at some age if you keep fighting you just win, but it doesn’t work like that, not many deaths of that nature do bother me but that did cause it kind of brought reality to the myth that keeping on will necessarily end well for you. That’s not why you carry on though, is it. He was a fighter.
As are these guys, I’m so glad to have been around to witness their determination, and spirit. Fucking no words can do it justice so I won’t go on, heroes.
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As are these guys, I’m so glad to have been around to witness their determination, and spirit. Fucking no words can do it justice so I won’t go on, heroes.
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HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
They always do. Good to see you posting, you are sound, but like me you are always inches away from a fuck up, don’t leave us for it tho x
ManchesterBeth
Well-Known Member
it's over. Not saying that as a positive. going to be a lot of fall out from this in the next 2-3 years. turkish nationalism is going to spike even more rapidly than it already has.
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