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And next, Syria?

CrabbedOne said:
On SWJ The United States and Russia Are Already at War
Well that's rather like what folk used to call the Great Game. Imperial competition by any means available.

Of course if perhaps a majority of Europeans were not gibbering in fear of Syrian refugees "liberalism" would be in rather less danger. The opportunist Russians just play on obvious political weaknesses when they back the rising populist hard-right. Funny, that used to be a main plank of Langley's business model in Western Europe back in the day.
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This is Robert D. Kaplan of "coming anarchy" fame. He is a known arsehole, and if he told me the sky was blue I would check to see if it was green.
 
GrowbagUK said:
Civilians have been dying in Aleppo for four years now...only after the NATO terrosists are beaten do the MSM decry the plight of civilians. Double standards of the highest order.
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You don't have any idea of what's been going on in aleppo for the last four years. Who do you think people demanding an end to the barrel bombing of the city were addressing their demands to? Who do you think were dropping those barrel bombs on those civilians? I'd be surprised if you ever recognised that this was what was happening given your previous posts on here. Jesus, as if all those civilians you reckon you alone were previously concerned with but no not so much were just dying a natural death and weren't in fact the victims of deliberate planned mass murder driven by the regime and its desire to brutalise and sectarianise any opposition. No, they were just dying.

These super better than the MSM researchers don't seem to have uncovered very much has it? It never seems to in the case of this new breed of authoritarian cats-paws - in fact, their super better than the MSM skills seem to mostly be used to help cover up pretty horrible things.
 
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Your claims are disputed....I can find other videos if you would prefer.
Civil war since 2012. You would agree civilians die in wars?
How did this war start?
Oh oracle, posessor of all the facts , please enlighten me.
 
butchersapron said:
Who do you think people demanding an end to the barrel bombing of the city were addressing their demands to? Who do you think were dropping those barrel bombs on those civilians?
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GrowbagUK said:
Your claims are disputed....I can find other videos if you would prefer.
Civil war since 2012. You would agree civilians die in wars?
How did this war start?
Oh oracle, posessor of all the facts , please enlighten me.
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Disputed in youtube comments. Fantastic. Youtube comments. I've linked to where it was stolen from - the secret source of the video you posted. If this is your anti MSM stuff...

Wasted enough time on you.
 
On CMEC Divided, They May Fall
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“As Aleppo falls and Idlib assumes a status of preeminent importance, what we’re seeing right now is the two key players in that arena—Jabhat Fatah al-Sham and Ahrar al-Sham—positioning themselves in what they perceive as a more sustainable position for survival,” Lister observed. “Ahrar al-Sham’s new leadership favors a position of revolutionary collaboration with the Free Syrian Army, while Hashem al-Sheikh’s minority wing seems more inclined to push for a merger with Jabhat Fatah al-Sham, for the sake of a grand Islamic project.”
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Just about the worst time for Ahrar al-Sham to split.
 
In Der Spiegel Despair and Debauchery in Assad's Capital
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Trapped in a Street

Many are being hunted down for political reasons, but even more are hiding to avoid conscription. Houssam is one of the latter, not wanting to fight for the regime against which he has spent 16 years protesting. By law, he should have joined the military four years ago. Ever since Oct. 18, 2015, when soldiers in civilian clothes combed through the streets and rounded up thousands of young men, he hasn't left his small street.

Houssam used to be a lawyer. When the protests began in 2011, he woke up from a political lethargy into which he had plunged as a result of his last stint in prison. He took to the streets and joined the demonstrations -- a painful choice, because during his imprisonment, his knees and ankles had been beaten to a pulp with plastic pipes.

Then the war began. He was arrested once again, tortured and released. Houssam does not receive visitors at his home, it is too risky, but he does accept telephone calls and we spoke with him every day for a week.

On this Sunday, he says, he is sitting like he does every day in the small apartment where he lives together with his wife and daughter. He lives off of money that he gets from his parents and, sometimes, from his friends. "Winter is coming," he says. "How am I supposed to get money for heating oil?" It is a question he asks himself almost every day: He doesn't have enough money for food, rent or oil. But his primary concern is survival.

"Either you are with the regime or you are an enemy. You are either part of a militia, or you are a man filled with fear," he says. The regime, he continues, monitors its territory ruthlessly. "If it's not the secret services keeping tabs on what you do, then it's the society, the neighbors." There is a saying in Damascus, he says: We gather to drink, and we drink out of fear of the others.

He says he never wanted to leave his country. "I thought we had a duty to fill the streets until the regime disappeared. But I can't do it anymore." Of the 50 people with whom he used to regularly meet in living rooms to talk politics at the beginning of the uprising, maybe 10 are still in Damascus, he says. "The others were sent to the front to get rid of them."
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NDF spivs, ever present touts, prostitutes and draft dodgers: 70s Saigon with a souk. The seedy midden of Bashar's pimped out Damascus.
 
a little dissapointed butchersapron didn't rise to my advert that i made in relation to his obsession with the trigger-term "barrel bomb", i kind of miss having posters around that make sentences and paragraphs and quotes while also actually saying stuff at the same time. stuff I don't agree with to be sure, but at least more meaningful than some Old Boy foreign office drunk at a Whitehall bar of a friday night.

eta: actually, some Old Boy foreign office drunk would be pretty interesting to listen to, "next round on me? whisky yeah?"
 
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Regarding mainstream media, IMO it seemed very neutral to supportive of the government (well the BBC seemed that way if one just skimmed the headlines). In fact until recently I thought the government was fighting Daesh, rather than just "rebels" (hard to tell if they are deserving of the term "moderate" since most major groups have been co-opted by Al-Queda, Daesh or some other form of Islamism). I find it very galling albeit unsurprising that only now are they talking about a bloodbath that many predicted would happened (it's well-documented that Assad and allies are responsible for most civilian deaths in the war). It reminds me of the final days of the Sri Lankan civil war, when only after the LTTE were crushed did Western journalists start talking about the bloodbath that occured in order to achieve victory.

Now it seems that the ceasefire that was in place to allow civilians to evacuate has collapsed, with shelling restarting. Peter Tacthell compared Aleppo to Guernica during his little stunt (which I have my reservations about) the other day, to me it's more like Srebrenica and Rwanda, where the powers that be did nothing whilst civilians died in their tens of thousands.
 
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The obvious point of comparison is Mosul next door. A far larger siege in which a population about four times the size is trapped that's at a much earlier stage. Casualty figures so far are vague but I'd assume they'll be high. Unlike Aleppo there really is nowhere for the population to go. Unlike Aleppo it's the defenders who have been staging punitive massacres of hundreds of people. There's been some atrocities on the other side as well and similar disappearances of young men can be expected. The Iraqi security state is may not be the Baath but its got its fair share of lumpen brutality and a fair sized torture gulag. Similar Shia militias are operating to the West of the city. The Iraqi government(s) face similar problems with insurgents being mixed in with what's probably somewhat supportive civ pop. We do intend to kill or capture the insurgents; mostly the former. The French are particularly keen to get rid of a contingent of their nationals defending Mosul. The SAS have a kill list as well. The Iraqi's made the mistake of not killing IS fighters last time. The remarkable thing is the once downtrodden Iraqis who run the place despite their history are not as bad as the awful Syrian Baath or the even worse old Iraq of Saddam.

As yet in Syria the rebels haven't been as brutal with civilians as Iraqi insurgents especially if you compare it with the savage mass casualty terrorism of the last round that killed comparable numbers of civilians to Assad's state terror. Unfortunately that is probably yet to come in Useful Syria as the rebels gradually lose their grip on urban territory.
 
butchersapron said:
You don't have any idea of what's been going on in aleppo for the last four years. Who do you think people demanding an end to the barrel bombing of the city were addressing their demands to?.
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This view really does annoy me; often suggest to me that other bombing has more morality, that targeted strikes have no or little collateral damage.
 
Who has been doing targeted air strikes in Aleppo then please? It's the same people as are doing thousands of barrel bombs isn't it. The regime and it's defenders. The entire point of those thousands of barrel bombs is the death and driving from the city of thousands of civilians. Does pointing that out annoy you too?
 
camouflage said:
Hell-cannons and mortars fired at civilian areas on the other hand are given a pass.
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Your response is predictably risible given that only one side in the conflict has air support and has frequently used it to target civilians and medical facilities. Atrocities have been committed by both sets of combatants but the depredations of the regime and their allies far outweigh those arrayed against them.
 
teqniq said:
Your response is predictably risible given that only one side in the conflict has air support and has frequently used it to target civilians and medical facilities. Atrocities have been committed by both sets of combatants but the depredations of the regime and their allies far outweigh those arrayed against them.
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Based on the unreliable nature of the Western msm, it can't be said that the Syrians have been targetting medical facilities or civilains. You may dissagree and that's fair enough, war is by defention a series of murders, but niether of us have been to Syria to see for ourselves if this "everybody knows" narrative of Syrian attacks on civilians is true.

Did I post this already? fuckit.. deserves posting again...



Regime change is the agenda, we know fuck all about anything beyond that.
 
I have not been solely using western MSM to base my opinions on but reports from Medicins sans Frontiers, Syria Direct and activists on Twitter, who guess what? Are actually there. Also whether you like it or no I suspect my critical faculties are a tad more incisive than yours. The evidence is overwhelming.
 
camouflage said:
Based on the unreliable nature of the Western msm, it can't be said that the Syrians have been targetting medical facilities or civilains. You may dissagree and that's fair enough, war is by defention a series of murders, but niether of us have been to Syria to see for ourselves if this "everybody knows" narrative of Syrian attacks is true
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I'm amazed you can post this with a straight face I really am. This is straight from the IDF playbook of 'we can't possibly be targetting civilians because we drop a small bomb on them first to warn them.' There's actual footage of actual hospitals being bombed, footage of bombs being dropped randomly out of helicopters, 'whoops my bomb slipped' or 'ah well that's war shit happens' just doesn't cut it.
 
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