Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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The Pale King
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Just noticed this comment piece in the Grauniad by Molly Crabapple of this parish 
and thought it might be of interest. haven't had time to read it yet will return later...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/03/bradley-manning-soldier-truth-trial
and thought it might be of interest. haven't had time to read it yet will return later...http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/03/bradley-manning-soldier-truth-trial
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
she's not of this parish. she's very firmly in their fucking parish, monetising her hotness.
Molly Crabapple is not of this parish. She is American. Good for her that she has raised the issue of what is happening to Bradley Manning. You could begin to believe that the media want to avoid the story.
The Pale King
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I know! Wish there was a smiley for 'tongue in cheek'...
Isn't the wink near enough?
The Pale King
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It'll do. Ta Greebo! 
The only parish she is from is Erick and Parrish Making Dollars
SpineyNorman
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i dunno where to put this, but it might as well go here. 
given this threas has become about the "social change" "intersectionality" "industry".
Horrible cunts.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinian-refugees-are-not-your-service/12464
given this threas has become about the "social change" "intersectionality" "industry".Horrible cunts.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinian-refugees-are-not-your-service/12464
Well they're both Oxbridge and upper middle class (Penny and Davison, think Davison went to Oxford?) so it's not entirely inaccurate. Can't say I've ever seen Emily's blog or twitter feed though.
The Pale King
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Thanks for sharing that Frogwoman, profoundly depressing read though it was.
cesare
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i dunno where to put this, but it might as well go here.
Horrible cunts.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinian-refugees-are-not-your-service/12464
Grim.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
i dunno where to put this, but it might as well go here.
Horrible cunts.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinian-refugees-are-not-your-service/12464
Very Important story, but it's more about foreign human rights workers and their bureaucratic demands - this existed way before 'intersectionality'.
Also, it was similar in the former Yugoslavia, people hunting to find cases relating to one form of mistreatment, not focused on any actual needs.
It makes me sick in the back of my mouth to see Laurie Penny's name alongside Emily Davison. No matter what you think of Davison it's an insult to her memory to equate her with this inane hack. It's just the New Statesman liberal-left version of William Hague writing a book about Pitt the Younger (another scumbag btw) self-promotion via association. Go right ahead. Fuck 'em. After all, they're just another name to check, another movement to parasite off, another group to invoke to boost your credebiilty. Why fucking not? That's the MO. I think the contempt I have for her is fuck all compared to the contempt she has for the inferior orders who try and call her out for this.
Remember that time she stuck up for Niall Ferguson's homophobia? Yeah I do. That's where the loyalties are. That's the class consciousness peeping through. Get ready for it.
If the "Left" is the small, irrelevant, politically impotent and overwhelmingly middle-class scene that exists in London today then they've got absolutely no chance of being able to instigate any sort of radical political change. None. Zero. It's a scene. It's permitted to exist precisely because it poses no threat. It's not linked to any movement, it's not capable of organising politically (let alone winning mass support) - it's just an adjunct to the arts, literary and media scene in London. An indulgence. Good times. A right laugh.
One day there'll come a time in this country when these kids do something bold, an occupation, and the govt (which will be reactionary and authoritarian regardless of the party) will panic and set loose the EDL or whichever right-wing useful idiots around to clear them off the streets. What then? Who do you think wins in a popularity contest between the New New Left and the EDL right now? Who do you think wins a fight between the two, 9 times out of 10, if one day the police weren't there to control the whole process.
Remember that time she stuck up for Niall Ferguson's homophobia? Yeah I do. That's where the loyalties are. That's the class consciousness peeping through. Get ready for it.
If the "Left" is the small, irrelevant, politically impotent and overwhelmingly middle-class scene that exists in London today then they've got absolutely no chance of being able to instigate any sort of radical political change. None. Zero. It's a scene. It's permitted to exist precisely because it poses no threat. It's not linked to any movement, it's not capable of organising politically (let alone winning mass support) - it's just an adjunct to the arts, literary and media scene in London. An indulgence. Good times. A right laugh.
One day there'll come a time in this country when these kids do something bold, an occupation, and the govt (which will be reactionary and authoritarian regardless of the party) will panic and set loose the EDL or whichever right-wing useful idiots around to clear them off the streets. What then? Who do you think wins in a popularity contest between the New New Left and the EDL right now? Who do you think wins a fight between the two, 9 times out of 10, if one day the police weren't there to control the whole process.
J Ed
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This is why we can't have nice things - like a revolution
http://www.liveleak.com/c/syria
^ That's what revolutions look like. Watch those videos. They're grim and violent, and unless you were desensitised by years of first person shooter games then too horrific to watch, let alone routinely watch a good few hours of them a day. Any revolution that's "nice" isn't a revolution. You think the British state would react any differently if we tried to seize power away from Crown and Parliament?
http://www.liveleak.com/c/syria
^ That's what revolutions look like. Watch those videos. They're grim and violent, and unless you were desensitised by years of first person shooter games then too horrific to watch, let alone routinely watch a good few hours of them a day. Any revolution that's "nice" isn't a revolution. You think the British state would react any differently if we tried to seize power away from Crown and Parliament?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
That's exactly the sort of liberal platitude that gets you shot if you're in my unit soldier.
Well it is better than Bugger the Bankers.
Davison is from my hometown and I don't think there was as single year went by at school when we didn't have to do a project on her.
Grace Darling and Cuthbert Collingwood were the other two which were stuffed down our throats.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
high praise indeed
I've just listend to that and I've got a infinitely more time for Grace Petrie than Laurie Penny just on that song's strength alone. At least Grace Petrie is sincere. At least she's fairly talented guitarist and songwriter. There's no bullshit there. On the whole it's fair to say that Grace Petrie's contribution to British politics has been a net positive, could you honestly say the same for Laurie? I don't think so. I think she's a danger and liability at best, and every bit as much the enemy as any Tory at worst.
This was an argument I was having with my mate about 4 months ago, who was reading Meat Market and we were discussing it's pro's and cons. His position was despite it's shortness, despite it's obvious "let's cash in on some old articles and build the Laurie Penny brand" stuff despite all the "confused diletantte-ish nonsense" in it that on the whole she's a net positive. This is because he's a bit more charitable than me, and hasn't actually seen all the bullshit added up cumulatively that's collated on here, infact it's probably the attitude I had towards her a few years ago, but no it's far more serious than that. I listed a few examples of Laurie at her worst. I planted a seed of doubt in his mind. Now he notices the self-promotion, the careerism, the cynicism, the dishonesty, the utter and total disregard for basic professionalism and integrity, all of this, and he's changed his mind. Interviewing Tommy Robinson was the final straw for him when he realised his naive, good-natured, benefit of the doubt attitude was nothing but bullshit that ends up condoning things that are genuinely damaging. People need to stop being so fucking soft when it comes to dealing with the Penny-ites. We should be far more belligerent imo.
But that's just my bloodlust talking, I'll probably calm down tomorrow and be a cuddly soft bennite again in the morning.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Are you being Mystic Meg or asking us to be?
PS is Saira Khan part of the 'New New Left' (need a better name)
https://twitter.com/IamSairaKhan/status/341454782600462336
A "Dr Who of colour". Who? She is the Sir Alan Sugar Apprentice figure who wrote this for the Daily Mail, ecnouraging Pakistani immigrants to deport people with an irregular immigration status:
"Most Pakistanis talk about blood and clan loyalty. They have no respect for British laws – unless it suits them. They say they are only helping those back home who are less fortunate. But I say that’s wrong and they must realise this, as well as the fact that those who are here illegally often end up being exploited, working long hours for little money, in conditions that are filthy and unhealthy.
More important still is the worry that they might be seduced by extremists to take part in terrorist acts.
I know this might sound dramatic, but it is a genuine concern. Many of these young men come from closed communities with very narrow views about Western behaviour. They are probably susceptible to persuasion by fanatics. As a moderate Muslim who is outraged at the creeping tentacles of extremism, it is important that I speak out against anything I believe may help to fan the flames."
PS is Saira Khan part of the 'New New Left' (need a better name)
https://twitter.com/IamSairaKhan/status/341454782600462336
Lets start with a woman, having a Dr Who of colour may be too much for the Bbc to handle all in one go
A "Dr Who of colour". Who? She is the Sir Alan Sugar Apprentice figure who wrote this for the Daily Mail, ecnouraging Pakistani immigrants to deport people with an irregular immigration status:
"Most Pakistanis talk about blood and clan loyalty. They have no respect for British laws – unless it suits them. They say they are only helping those back home who are less fortunate. But I say that’s wrong and they must realise this, as well as the fact that those who are here illegally often end up being exploited, working long hours for little money, in conditions that are filthy and unhealthy.
More important still is the worry that they might be seduced by extremists to take part in terrorist acts.
I know this might sound dramatic, but it is a genuine concern. Many of these young men come from closed communities with very narrow views about Western behaviour. They are probably susceptible to persuasion by fanatics. As a moderate Muslim who is outraged at the creeping tentacles of extremism, it is important that I speak out against anything I believe may help to fan the flames."
She's not that bad actually, there was an interview in the Guardian with her a few months back and she made me smile a couple of times. Came across as a very down to earth and honest woman. I'll dig it up.
Here it is - was over a year ago!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/10/protest-music-akala-grace-petrie
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
aye I wrote her an email once. A 3 am email.
theres some good stuff by her if you can stomach earnest which I can. I'll take buckets of earnest rather than knowing
http://music.gracepetrie.com/track/inspector-morse
theres some good stuff by her if you can stomach earnest which I can. I'll take buckets of earnest rather than knowing
http://music.gracepetrie.com/track/inspector-morse
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