I'm more a Ciaran Murphy man myself.
Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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Bingo. I'll take earnest any day of the week. That's something Frank Turner was lacking and look what happened to him....
Oh and this one was doing the rounds recently
Whatever happened to childhood?
We're all scared of the kids in our neighboorhood;
They're not small, charming and harmless,
They're a violent bunch of bastard little shits.
And anyone who looks younger than me
Makes me check for my wallet, my phone and my keys,
And I'm tired of being tired out
Always being on the lookout for thieving gits.
We're all wondering how we ended up so scared;
We spent ten long years teaching our kids not to care
And that "there's no such thing as society" anyway,
And all the rich folks act surprised
When all sense of community dies,
But you just closed your eyes to the other sidev Of all the things that she did.
Thatcher f**ked the kids.
And it seems a little bit rich to me,
The way the rich only ever talk of charity
In times like the seventies, the broken down economy
Meant even the upper tier was needing some help.
But as soon as things look brighter,
Yeah the grin gets wider and the grip gets tighter,
And for every teenage tracksuit mugger
There's a guy in a suit who wouldn't lift a finger for anybody else.
You've got a generation raised on the welfare state,
Enjoyed all its benefits and did just great,
But as soon as they were settled as the richest of the rich,
They kicked away the ladder, told the rest of us that life's a bitch.
And it's no surprise that all the f**k-ups
Didn't show up until the kids had grown up.
But when no one ever smiles or ever helps a stranger,
Is it any f**king wonder our society's in danger of collapse?
So all the kids are bastards,
But don't blame them, yeah, they learn by example.
Blame the folks who sold the future for the highest bid:
That's right, Thatcher f**ked the kids.
Whatever happened to childhood?
We're all scared of the kids in our neighboorhood;
They're not small, charming and harmless,
They're a violent bunch of bastard little shits.
And anyone who looks younger than me
Makes me check for my wallet, my phone and my keys,
And I'm tired of being tired out
Always being on the lookout for thieving gits.
We're all wondering how we ended up so scared;
We spent ten long years teaching our kids not to care
And that "there's no such thing as society" anyway,
And all the rich folks act surprised
When all sense of community dies,
But you just closed your eyes to the other sidev Of all the things that she did.
Thatcher f**ked the kids.
And it seems a little bit rich to me,
The way the rich only ever talk of charity
In times like the seventies, the broken down economy
Meant even the upper tier was needing some help.
But as soon as things look brighter,
Yeah the grin gets wider and the grip gets tighter,
And for every teenage tracksuit mugger
There's a guy in a suit who wouldn't lift a finger for anybody else.
You've got a generation raised on the welfare state,
Enjoyed all its benefits and did just great,
But as soon as they were settled as the richest of the rich,
They kicked away the ladder, told the rest of us that life's a bitch.
And it's no surprise that all the f**k-ups
Didn't show up until the kids had grown up.
But when no one ever smiles or ever helps a stranger,
Is it any f**king wonder our society's in danger of collapse?
So all the kids are bastards,
But don't blame them, yeah, they learn by example.
Blame the folks who sold the future for the highest bid:
That's right, Thatcher f**ked the kids.
Yeah he's a massive Tory now. You can see it poking through in some of them lyrics.
He was pretty shallow Frank Turner and pretty knowing with it.
He was pretty shallow Frank Turner and pretty knowing with it.
Seriously though, I had a look at the hashtag #skint tonight following that Channel 4 show of the same name, people were calling for families to be gassed, kids to be sterilised by kicking them in the womb, burning down their houses etc.
Why isn't LP speaking up about that? Is it because she wants to secure further TV slots or does she not give a fuck because it's not trendy?
GAH..... angry. She makes me fucking seethe, not just her... the whole f'ing lot of them.
Why isn't LP speaking up about that? Is it because she wants to secure further TV slots or does she not give a fuck because it's not trendy?
GAH..... angry. She makes me fucking seethe, not just her... the whole f'ing lot of them.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Your Scorsayzee song: the Queen's husband is a Freemason
(it's gotta do more than rhyme
), I sense conspiracism
Your Scorsayzee song: the Queen's husband is a Freemason
(it's gotta do more than rhyme
That's partly what I meant when I said it is a bit confused. Mainly trying to think of young protest singer / song writers.
Clayton Blizzard can be quite good. Haven't heard this one, don't know what it is like:
Firky who gives a fuck if she "speaks up" for this kind of thing? It's not fucking privileged journo's speaking up in their ever dwindling circulation magazines that's going to change these sorts of attitudes. It's mass movements and political action that takes place over a period of generations that changes things, y'know the long hard slog, the thankless task of banging your head against a brick wall for years, none of which the Penny's of this world could give the slightest fuck about getting involved in. She might write something about it IF it presents her an opportunity to promote herself and move her career in a certain direction but even then it's actual impact in changing attitudes and changing the political climate that give rise to this sort of hatred is absolutely fuck all.
JimW
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Don't now this woman you're talking about but I very much agree with this.
SpineyNorman
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Sorry for the weird fart video everyone - my niece is stopping with me for a couple of days and she sabotaged my laptop when I went to the bog. She won't admit it but I know it was her cos she can't look at me without an idiot grin moving across her lips 
I'm going to leave it up to teach me not to leave it unattended.
I'm going to leave it up to teach me not to leave it unattended.
Sorry for the weird fart video everyone - my niece is stopping with me for a couple of days and she sabotaged my laptop when I went to the bog. She won't admit it but I know it was her cos she can't look at me without an idiot grin moving across her lips
I'm going to leave it up to teach me not to leave it unattended.
That "like" was for your niece btw. Needs a bit of comic relief this thread.
SpineyNorman
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I thought the part with the flour was a bit of a highlight myself
BigTom
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Emily Davison - throws herself under King's horse, leading to her death.
Laurie penny - won't go to protest as doesn't want to get arrested just for journalism.
Living in her shadow indeed
Your Scorsayzee song: the Queen's husband is a Freemason
(it's gotta do more than rhyme
And why are pissed off and disilliousioned working class kids with some "lefty" ideas turning to conspiracism?
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
similar things happened in moldova as well (although obviously nowhere near as bad as that). i'll do a thread on it one day ...
The39thStep
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She was at a family do. No passaran the cheesecake and bruschetta
Steel Icarus
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Virtually no-one's spoken up about this, none of the "activists" and jump-on-every-nasty-article-about-women/gay marriage/etc people. That first couple of weeks mate it seemed like just me and you were calling the cunts cunts about that hashtag, and yeah I know it's JUST Twitter but I genuinely think a lot of those people genuinely hate and fear poor people, not enough to ACTUALLY gas and shoot them...but enough to not lift a finger to stop it in different circumstances (I hesitate to Godwin myself).
Where's the angry mob outside Channel 4? The twitterstorm? Nowhere. Cos it doesn't matter to those people. All the "an attack on one is an attack on all" bullshit only applies, it seems, when a feminist says a trans woman isn't a woman, then it's pitchforks and angry typing. I've seen one of 'em today saying how brilliant it was that the suffragettes bombed the house of Lloyd-George. Aye, you reckon? What are you gonna do? Fuck-all. And neither am I. But I ain't inferring I'd do it, either.
SpineyNorman
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Idris2002
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So where did Sylvia Pankhurst fit into that (genuine question)? And was the force-feeding of Suffragettes on hunger strike have any radicalising effect?
SpineyNorman
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And anyway, why would you bomb politicians (or do anything that has any kind of impact in the real world outside the bubble) when you can call people out on twitter? Much more effective.
Steel Icarus
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SpineyNorman
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I've not heard of her speaking out against it but I find it hard to believe she would have been comfortable with it. Like any 'single issue' type movement it was a fairly broad church and I have no doubt there would have been plenty who didn't agree with that kind of propaganda (pictures of dirty working and poor men, alongside middle class women involved in voluntary associations, basically saying how come these uncivilised and stupid proles get to vote when respectable propertied women can't? - when I get the time I'll see if I can find some examples and post them on here).
I'm afraid I could only speculate on the answer to the second question, it's not something I've ever really looked at in any detail, sorry.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
SpineyNorman
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There were also some campaigners for female suffrage (not sure if they were suffragettes though) who argued that, with the inclusion of unpropertied men in the franchise, middle class women should be given the vote in order to defend white supremacy. It's ages since I did anything on this so I can't find sources right now but later on when I've got a bit more time I'll have a dig around.
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