Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[rekil]

https://www.facebook.com/events/459759637445644/?fref=ts

Not on facebook so dunno, but.




I see something about Aaron Peters asking Vice why Laurie Penny bought yer man dinner.

 

[Tom A]

VICE? Says all I need to know. Hipster tossers.

 

[JimW]

Three quid's a positive bargain by their standards. That's only about 10p per gallon of pish.

 

[DotCommunist]

Think I'll just wait for the Molly Crabapple cartoon version.

The manga version of Rote Armee Faktion must surely be a bestseller as yet unwritten

 

[butchersapron]

Vice, New Internationalist and Red Pepper. And the greatest of these is Red Pepper. Astonishing

 

[andysays]

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this is how your joke supports oppression.

How did we get from "this machine kills fascists" written on Woody Guthrie's guitar to "this is how your joke supports oppression" on someone's Facebook page, and is it really progress?

Post your answers on iamaselfrighteousfauxradicaltwat.com

 

[sihhi]

Vice, New Internationalist and Red Pepper. And the greatest of these is Red Pepper. Astonishing

The person speaking on behalf of Red Pepper is Jenny Nelson who wrote this very soft piece on a Laurie Penny's Ralph Miliband Lecture at the LSE.

Highlights:

Just as Selma James argued in 1972 that feminism is about money, power and economics, Laurie Penny insists that feminists embrace socialism. She is dismayed at what she sees as the recent triumph of ‘right wing feminism’.

As for how the left should organise to deal with sexism, Laurie touched on this but admitted she doesn’t have all the answers. She did suggest that as a key environment for organising, ‘the internet is the most violently misogynist public space we have right now. So like Reclaim the Night, we need to Reclaim the Net.’

 

[DotCommunist]

there is, I think, a really good analysis of misogyny by numbers on the internet to be made. I am not the man to make it. Not when i've an interview tomorrow and need to rehearse lines for that, and also not when nobody has ever, for obvious reasons, miso'd me.

been called a nonce a few times though. Thats the ultimate throwdown against male internet opponents generally

 

[Tom A]

How did we get from "this machine kills fascists" written on Woody Guthrie's guitar to "this is how your joke supports oppression" on someone's Facebook page, and is it really progress?

Post your answers on iamaselfrighteousfauxradicaltwat.com

Make that iamaselfrighteousfauxradicaltwat.tumblr.com

 

[frogwoman]

what is it with tumblr and twats

 

[DaveCinzano]

Has Laurie intersectionalised Woolwich yet?

 

[cesare]

Has Laurie intersectionalised Woolwich yet?

Yo dawg. I heard you like intersectionalising the intersectionalism. All we're missing here is tagging her in for a meaningful conversation on class and race relations in Woolwich so she can call us racists and run away

The onslaught of commentary/counter commentary on urban, twitter, news etc was quite useful in a way cos there was a photo that showed none of my nearest and dearest were there - highly useful when not wanting to add to the general panic, but needing to establish that fact.

 

[love detective]

Laurie Penny‏@PennyRed
Top shelf of this bus - people of all races anxiously scrolling through news on devices. And one loud drunk Scotsman on the phone. #woolwich

I never knew buses had shelves

are they stacked progressively?

 

[rekil]

Stay safe; fuck racism. #woolwich #edl

"Hi Thomas, dinner and chat tomorrow? It's on me!"

 

[JimW]

I never knew buses had shelves

are they stacked progressively?

Oblique reference to the pornification of society under the patriarchy.

 

[phildwyer]

How did we get from "this machine kills fascists" written on Woody Guthrie's guitar to "this is how your joke supports oppression" on someone's Facebook page, and is it really progress?

Yes.

 

[Bakunin]

I never knew buses had shelves

are they stacked progressively?

'Will the lifeboats be seated according to privilege..?'

 

[andysays]

Yes.

That only answers the second part of my question, Phil, and even then is hardly adequate.

If you genuinely think it's progress, maybe you could enlighten us as to why?

Not what one would hope for from a purported academic, though sadly what one would probably expect...

 

[andysays]

Make that iamaselfrighteousfauxradicaltwat.tumblr.com

That explains why my link doesn't work

 

[andysays]

'Will the lifeboats be seated according to privilege..?'

Aren't they always?

 

[J Ed]

Interesting/worrying to note that Miliband has condemned the EDL but Cameron hasn't

 

[phildwyer]

That only answers the second part of my question, Phil, and even then is hardly adequate.

If you genuinely think it's progress, maybe you could enlighten us as to why?

Because I thınk wrıtıng ''Thıs Machıne Kılls Fascısts'' on your guıtar ıs the act of a tosser.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Jesus, they are really giving Penny an unfairly hard time on twitter about this one.

Good.

 

[andysays]

Because I thınk wrıtıng ''Thıs Machıne Kılls Fascısts'' on your guıtar ıs the act of a tosser.

Overwhelmed by the level of your analysis, Phil. Truly, we are not worthy.

But if you're going to make so little effort here, I won't feel any guilt about simply recycling my comment to you off the Julian Assange thread:

You plum

 

[Idris2002]

Good.

The schadenfreudefulness is terrific.

 

[Greebo]

Because I thınk wrıtıng ''Thıs Machıne Kılls Fascısts'' on your guıtar ıs the act of a tosser.

A bit extreme.

It's inaccurate - given that a guitar's more an instrument than a machine, and unless it was used as a bludgeon (or the strings were removed and used for garrotting) the most it might kill is fascism rather than fascists. However, if you own the guitar outright then it's yours to do with as you see fit while you own it - even scrawling inaccurate or pretentious slogans on it.

 

[rekil]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/337898964466688000

Confirmed that the Eton entrance question is for real - and the headmaster of Eton has responded

Confirming that the exam questions that were on Eton's site were actually exam questions that were on Eton's site.

The piece I've written on Eton refers to my own private school background so I'm expecting a ton of hate mail. But it needed to be said.

Expecting some chicanery here. And how about publishing the hate mail.

Eta:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-question-how-british-elite-are-trained-think

Had a question like this appeared on that [Brighton College scholarship] test, I know I’d have been torn. I wouldn’t be torn now, of course, I’d write ‘go fuck yourself’ across the paper in my sparkliest pens,

Nah, you wouldn't. Too ambitious.

 

[smokedout]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/337898964466688000

Confirming that the exam questions that were on Eton's site were actually exam questions that were on Eton's site.

Nah, you wouldn't. Too ambitious.

The headmaster of Eton, responding to the furore on Twitter, claimed that this was an intellectual exercise, based on Machiavelli’s The Prince, and was taken out of context. It was nothing of the kind.

actually it was, its here:http://www.etoncollege.com/userfiles/file/KS 2011 General Paper 1.pdf

that doesn't mean it isn't telling, or that its not a reasonable point to have a dig, but it blatantly was an intellectual exercise, based on Machiavelli’s The Prince

 

[The Pale King]

a very odd 'intellectual exercise' (what part of the intellect is it exercising?) and a very revealing one. Good training for Saif Gaddafi types though. What criteria would be used to judge success in this exercise? Thinking up good reasons for shooting demonstrators? Or sounding appropriately prime ministerial in that regretful, damp eyed, quavering Blair style?

 

[phildwyer]

A bit extreme.

It's inaccurate - given that a guitar's more an instrument than a machine, and unless it was used as a bludgeon (or the strings were removed and used for garrotting) the most it might kill is fascism rather than fascists. However, if you own the guitar outright then it's yours to do with as you see fit while you own it - even scrawling inaccurate or pretentious slogans on it.

It's a bıt of a stupıd, pathetıc and self-aggrandızıng slogan though ınnıt.

If Laurıe Penny had wrıtten ıt on her keyboard everyone would be mockıng her mercılessly.

In fact I bet andysays has got ıt wrıtten on hıs keyboard. Or hıs forehead.