Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[DrRingDing]

That's why you replied to a post about stacks then further defended stacking. Why don't you just do a proper post outlining where you think the problem is and why its important instead of this one line shit then running off?

Stacks and queues are the same thing. As you well know.

 

[butchersapron]

Stacks and queues are the same thing. As you well know.

Ok, one-liners only it is. Should have known.

 

[treelover]

Malcolm...has been on TV many times as a self-professed leader of Anon...met him myself a few times, gave him a wide berth other times.

Doesn't seem to be massive media coverage as expected, maybe will when case finishes though..

 

[DrRingDing]

Ok, one-liners only it is. Should have known.

Where's your proposal to make meetings better? Or are you just going to sit and moan.

 

[Casually Red]

I'm genuinely surprised and disapointed that so many folk here clumped together oddballs from Occupy, those preoccupied with identity politics and with a pretty standard way of holding meetings in some unholy mess.

a standard way of holding meetings where

Ive been at left wing and anarchist meetings and gatherings from Belfast to Berlin and never, thankfully, even heard of this shit before .

 

[J Ed]

https://twitter.com/fowlerruth/status/327582476308447233

Laurie gets called out on her faux working-class credentials, calls accuser jealous and pathetic instead of checking privilege

 

[butchersapron]

Where's your proposal to make meetings better? Or are you just going to sit and moan.

Not going to be at any of your meetings thanks. Nor is my mum or anyone that i know.
Do a proper post, go on, please.

 

[Casually Red]

Symptoms of the same disease though aren't they?

Indeed, although I prefer to use the term creeping malaise , as its more sinister .

 

[butchersapron]

https://twitter.com/fowlerruth/status/327582476308447233

Laurie gets called out on her faux working-class credentials, calls accuser jealous and pathetic instead of checking privilege

Of course, in america LP makes it known that she 'was on a scholarship'. The NI people are from super-rich backgrounds, so there is some leverage here for her. I don't know why people imagine that you can't be from a rich background and on a scholarship - scholarships are one way that this privilege is transmitted. (see that turner bloke from eton with a guitar).

 

[DrRingDing]

Not going to be at any of your meetings thanks.

Sad times

 

[treelover]

On the CIF article, someone has just posted enquiring whether Ellie Mae will "eventually become the new Melanie Phillips", too harsh, imo...

 

[treelover]

Of course, in america LP makes it known that she 'was on a scholarship'. The NI people are from super-rich backgrounds, so there is some leverage here for her. I don't know why people imagine that you can't be from a rich background and on a scholarship - scholarships are one way that this privilege is transmitted. (see that turner bloke from eton with a guitar).

Is Ruth, the woman whose blog about London daily life being crap, eg low pay, was discussed here?

er, no is isn't, can anyone remember and provide a link?

 

[butchersapron]

Is Ruth, the woman whose blog about London daily life being crap, eg low pay, was discussed here?

I don't think so.

 

[Casually Red]

calls accuser jealous

that word gets right to the heart of her fuckwittery .

 

[Idris2002]

Ruth Fowler ‏@fowlerruth 11h
And @pennyred - if anyone actually read the insipid, liberal bollocks you write here, you'd have more sexism.

 

[treelover]

You are young, Ellie Mae. You are clearly intelligent. There is a certain arrogance which comes with youth and a certainty that comes with a good education - in this you are not unique.
But it takes time, experience, and a broader base of knowledge than you demonstrate here to make the case you attempt to make here.
I don't know if you are able-bodied; I don't know if you have ever suffered with a mental illness. But I think that many of us who are both will not agree with you, and I certainly don't.
This is a very serious thing - I feel a white-hot outrage, and I feel a slow-burning hatred for the people who have placed those suicide victims in a situation that they can see no escape from other than death.
Stick to your protests, Ellie Mae. This is not your forte.

A biting riposte to Ellie's article from an ex nurse and disabled person.

It may be this applies to a lot of these young bloggers, etc, but I still think Ellie does more good than harm..

 

[SpineyNorman]

Spiney, you need to leave Malcolm the perve alone, and check your ginger privilege!

My beard, when I allow it to grow, is ginger. This, intersecting with my northern oppression, makes me intersectional enough to ginger bash.

 

[chilango]

Not IME.

Clearly.

They are in mine however.

Lots of people here have made it pretty clear that this whole thing makes 'em distinctly uncomfortable.

Are you ok with this?

 

[Casually Red]

Sad times

is that the right hand sign

 

[DrRingDing]

Clearly.

They are in mine however.

Lots of people here have made it pretty clear that this whole thing makes 'em distinctly uncomfortable.

Are you ok with this?

What experience have you had with this style of meeting?

 

[butchersapron]

What experience have you had with this style of meeting?

Total avoidance of question. Well done dingding.

(You'll not have bothered reading chilango's posts about his experiences earlier then - of course not, why would you?)

 

[Casually Red]

Not going to be at any of your meetings thanks. Nor is my mum or anyone that i know.
.

im thinking of bringing my 2 little nieces to one though . Theyd love it I reckon . Theyre tired of gagnam style now .

 

[DrRingDing]

Total avoidance of question. Well done dingding.

(You'll not have bothered reading chilango's posts about his experiences earlier then - of course not, why would you?)

One instance he mentioned.

 

[butchersapron]

One instance he mentioned.

No.

And of course, this instance told you nothing. Nothing.

 

[J Ed]

Just read the Ellie Mae O'Hagan article. Awful.

People shouldn't avoid making the link, like in Spain they should be making the link clearer, "these aren't suicides, they're murders".

 

[DrRingDing]

No.

And of course, this instance told you nothing. Nothing.

I'm still awaiting your proposal as a better solution.

...and I'll continue waiting because you do not have one.

 

[butchersapron]

Just read the Ellie Mae O'Hagan article. Awful.

People shouldn't avoid making the link, like in Spain they should be making the link clearer, "these aren't suicides, they're murders".

Damn right. Fantastic banner(s).

 

[weepiper]

Indeed, building their CV.



I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Just move away from student politics.

You wouldn't lose any sleep over a self-perpetuating class system favouring the rich and keeping them in power?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm still awaiting your proposal as a better solution.

...and I'll continue waiting because you do not have one.

A solution to what? Why people are put off by your style of meeting? Why do i have to come up with solution to that? You crack on. i don't go around telling goths how they should dress, why should i bother with your sub-culture?

Are you going to write in any depth about what you've been moaning about or not? I'm sure you can if you try. Go on.

 

[Casually Red]

I'm still awaiting your proposal as a better solution.

...and I'll continue waiting because you do not have one.

a solution to what.