Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Cheers for that - until today I'd only seen the photo of everyone waiting for the effigy/coffin to be burnt. Now I have closure.
Is it Ashington?
Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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Is it Ashington?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
cheers
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
What's Johann Hari up to these days?
We used to get 3rd of a pint cartons of milk in Southampton when I was a kid (early eighties), the council paid for it.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Kids under five still get a free third of a pint carton for every day they're at nursery for two hours or more. But yeah it was never a quarter pint and no-one was handing out quarter pints when Thatcher died. People were handing out plastic cups of milk in Glasgow, dunno about London.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Who's done that? Very few people posting on this thread, many of whom are working class themselves (perhaps only the middle classes post on bulletin boards in Norway?).
Your like or dislike of the term is irrelevant. What matters is the ideas the term conveys. Does the UK's proletariat as a whole have less of a handle on securing a "fair share" due to lacking the communicative and social networks of influence enjoyed by the bourgeoisie? Yes. In fact the entire turn to provision of "equality of opportunity" in British politics served to mask the fact that access to opportunity is never equal.
There are two issues:
1) That the working class lack the degree of social capital that the middle classes are able to accrue, and
2) That members of those middle classes see the working class as a vehicle for their own vanguardism, rather than as a vanguard in and of themselves.
The bourgeoisie don't want the working class to develop and follow their own politics. They want to manufacture a politics, usually some form of reformist endeavour, for us to follow. That's why there are media people pushing the "vote Labour with no illusions" line, while ignoring the fact that Labour are no longer representative of the working class if they ever were, and that Labour are as committed to neoliberalism as any other mainstream political party.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This thread is (as you'd know if you'd bothered to read it before generously offering your opinions) not about LP, but about what she signifies - the journalistic and political milieu she represents, so it's very much not a case of sacrificing her and letting her ilk off the hook.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The thread isn't merely "criticism of her", though. It's criticism of the milieu; of other journalists who do the same thing. The thread itself is only titled as it is because someone reported a particularly wince-making and funny example of the ouvre of that milieu that happened to be by her rather than Hundal, Hari or some other self-mythologiser.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"number 2" is right... And wtf are 'viscous jack russels'?
Runny dog lackeys?
Steel Icarus
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ViolentPanda said:
And this is true whether or not they're aware of it consciously, right? A Diet version of born-to-rule, we know best. Cos I'm still not sure how conscious, say, to pluck a name out of the air at random, Laurie Penny is that the mere fact of her privileged upbringing has channeled her a certain way. She might "admit" that privilege - hard not to - but I'm not sure she's addressed how it's shaped her. It's still given "yay, me" caveats such as how smart she is and how she's got every job she's ever had through interview.
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Or worse, the LibDems. Nah, you can't let the working class have their own identity and politics - and writers. Fuck no. The bubble people would have no-one to lend their expertise to.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
"We can't have the working class develop their own politics and write about it from their perspective -the working class ought to be working ffs"
Steel Icarus
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"We can't have the working class develop their own politics and write about it from their perspective -the working class ought to be working ffs"
Besides, how would
seventh bullet
sovietwave
But Laurie's a wri'er. For the new ink wirry. Ar'icles and that.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yes. A latter-day version of noblesse oblige for the middle classes, pretty much.
Well, one of the issues I have with this, is that it's so deeply infiltrated into the ideas and practices of "being middle class", is that it's arguably difficult, if not impossible, for middle class "actors" to recognise their privilege (let alone check it
), because they're so acculturated to it, that it's not on their psychological horizon.While, of course, not acknowledging that "doing" interviews often serves as a venue not so much to represent yourself as the person on your CV, but to establish those interconnections that social capital means invariably exist between the parties to the interview.
In which case, "smartness" is a concern secondary to employing "someone who thinks as I do".
Good lord! We can't have that!!!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
By fuck, but I hate Mockney accents, most of all from politicians whose closest encounter to Bow bells is flying out from City Airport.
J Ed
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https://twitter.com/sethmnookin/status/325124502814068737 (re-tweeted by Laurie)
Some self-awareness please...
Some self-awareness please...
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
J Ed
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Liverpool Echo covers Old Holborn.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...r-and-murder-of-james-bulger-100252-33199461/
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...r-and-murder-of-james-bulger-100252-33199461/
J Ed
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Also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-22216613
As disgusting as Old Holborn is, I always find stories about the police investigating and arresting people for things they have said over twitter very worrying. It's not long since a lad in West Bradford got prosecuted for being anti-military. Also, remember the lad arrested for posting a picture of a burning poppy on twitter? These prosecutions seem to be getting more frequent and I don't know how far away we are from living in a country where anti-government sentiment is criminalised.
As disgusting as Old Holborn is, I always find stories about the police investigating and arresting people for things they have said over twitter very worrying. It's not long since a lad in West Bradford got prosecuted for being anti-military. Also, remember the lad arrested for posting a picture of a burning poppy on twitter? These prosecutions seem to be getting more frequent and I don't know how far away we are from living in a country where anti-government sentiment is criminalised.
My heart sings that you didn't sat 200mls
They do little 200ml bottles and cartons, I have only seen them in healthcare catering but they'll be available to schools and canteens.They do 150mls to, sure of it. They're sold to pour onto breakfasts.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I was sad enough to do the conversion last nightMy heart sings that you didn't sat 200mls
197ml iirc 
SpineyNorman
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I agree completely. Instead of reporting him the OB they should have just found him and given him some 'stern words'.
cesare
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That's got nothing to do with Thatcher. Or, if it has, it's got equally as much to do with Wilson of course.
I got milk in primary school until about age 9. this was early-to-mid 1990's. I agree it's not the worst thing she ever did by any stretch, but you can't deny the symbolism, stealing milk from the mouths of children etc
JimW
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This is the sort of unacceptable hoarding that is playing havoc with our Five-Year Plan....
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
yes fair do's
Well, one of the issues I have with this, is that it's so deeply infiltrated into the ideas and practices of "being middle class", is that it's arguably difficult, if not impossible, for middle class "actors" to recognise their privilege (let alone check it
I think its almost impossible for anyone to really see their own privilege, to the point that you even forget what is was like to not have privilege when you acquire some - just like on giroday you immediately forget how shit its been being skint the last few days and then act in a way which means the same thing will happen
I think its a brain thing
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