Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[TruXta]

covered 15 pages back. she's writing a book about emasculated men or something.

"The decline of men".

 

[killer b]

Oops! I don't have a photographic memory that stretches as far back as 15 pages of this interminable thread.

And if I did recall something from 15 pages back I would seriously give some consideration to this...

you should be refreshing every 30 seconds, and not sleeping. no fucking commitment.

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

Well I'm always looking for mixed up young women who are unsure of their role so I can love them.

I know that sounds a bit iffy...the police certainly thought so. They called it stalking. Mind you, they just don't really get the concept of urban activist bloggers...nor did the magistrate.

Fuckin sexist bastards.

 

[The39thStep]

I know I'm going to regret saying this, but I don't actually think that it's particularly surprising or wildly unreasonable that L. Penny is hostile to anyone associated with this thread. She really does get a huge amount of unjustified (and often misogynist) abuse online, which is necessarily going to make anyone defensive and/or uninterested in engaging with the content of online criticism. And even leaving that aside, if I came across a thread online with 8,000 comments about what a dickhead I am, I'm pretty sure I'd sulk about it too. Even if thousands of those critical points were fully justified.

Any views on the content that she publishes or are you just taking an SP version of the Daily Telegraph line

 

[cesare]

Any views on the content that she publishes or are you just taking an SP version of the Daily Telegraph line

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Any views on the content that she publishes or are you just taking an SP version of the Daily Telegraph line

She's a radical liberal, with all the many faults that implies.

 

[Firky]

A Knight in shining armour.

 

[framed]

you should be refreshing every 30 seconds, and not sleeping. no fucking commitment.

 

[Firky]

Any views on the content that she publishes or are you just taking an SP version of the Daily Telegraph line

Played!

 

[Fez909]

I suspect that the racist nonsense came from a quick glance at the IWCA article, or possibly just its title, followed up by a silly refusal to back down when arguing with people she has pretty understandable reason to feel attacked by. Or, perhaps I'm being soft and she really does think, from an American-liberal-identity-politics sort of direction, that criticism of state-multiculturalism is automatically racist.

I can't believe this would be the case. She has said:


Ally Fogg ‏@AllyFogg
@pastachips My own respect for LP goes up every time she admits to having been wrong about something and changing her mind. That's not easy

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
@AllyFogg @pastachips I believe it's called growing up. No desire to freeze intellectually at the age I got my first column, as some fo.

See, she's a grown up and can back down when she's wrong.

 

[Blagsta]

"they all hate each other on the basis of peculiar ideological formulae the unilluminated are not privy to"

Tbf, this is kind of true

 

[framed]

See, she's a grown up and can back down when she's wrong.

Except when it comes to misogynystic racists who reject identity politics on Urban.

 

[editor]

Facts!
This thread is currently running at something like 11,000 page views per day.
That's nearly 8 page views for every single minute of the day, 24 hours of the day.
That's a lorra lorra page views.

 

[TruXta]

Facts!
This thread is currently running at something like 11,000 page views per day.
That's nearly 8 page views for every single minute of the day.
That's a lorra lorra page views.

Half of those are LLETSA/Sam G, the rest are Firky.

 

[The39thStep]

Played!

 

[editor]

Half of those are LLETSA/Sam G, the rest are Firky.

LLETSA/Sam G was escorted from the premises some time ago.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

New Statesman columnist criticises "privilege" theory, while mostly missing the more important problems with it:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2012/12/problem-privilege-checking

Response about how this just shows his own privilege:
http://www.newstatesman.com/voices/2012/12/standing-opposition-dominance-privilege

This whole language has just been adopted wholesale by British liberals almost overnight.

 

[TruXta]

LLETSA/Sam G was escorted from the premises some time ago.

Oh good.

 

[framed]

Facts!
This thread is currently running at something like 11,000 page views per day.
That's nearly 8 page views for every single minute of the day, 24 hours of the day.
That's a lorra lorra page views.

These type of stats will do you no harm next time you tender for those lucrative BP and BBC contracts...

 

[Fez909]

LLETSA/Sam G was escorted from the premises some time ago.

Then the pageviews must be Laura herself.

 

[Firky]

Half of those are LLETSA/Sam G, the rest are Firky.

I have been inside an MRI and a CAT machine for much of the morning and in a pathology lab for the afternoon. So...

*waves to the elite*

 

[The39thStep]

LLETSA/Sam G was escorted from the premises some time ago.

Oh good.

what do you find good in that?

 

[DotCommunist]

Oh good.

He will be back, joke shop plastic nose in place

 

[TruXta]

what do you find good in that?

He's a fucking bore and adds fuck all. Plus he broke the rules so fuck him.

 

[TruXta]

He will be back, joke shop plastic nose in place

I have no doubts.

 

[Delroy Booth]

New Statesman columnist criticises "privilege" theory, while mostly missing the more important problems with it:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2012/12/problem-privilege-checking

^ That's a bit of a shite article for a number of reasons, but I haven't got time to get into them. However one of the articles he links to is much closer to the money imo

http://offbeatempire.com/2012/10/liberal-bullying

This made me laugh

My big challenge as a publisher is knowing how to respond to this kind of feedback, which comes in almost daily. Sometimes it feels like I have two options:

• Acquiesce to every complaint of anyone anywhere on the internet, until we're putting trigger warnings at the top of posts that mention balloons because some people are globophobic (TRUE STORY!).

 

[killer b]

lletsa is ace. i look forward to his speedy return.

 

[cesare]

He will be back, joke shop plastic nose in place

 

[The39thStep]

He's a fucking bore and adds fuck all. Plus he broke the rules so fuck him.

which reason the first or second?

 

[TruXta]

which reason the first or second?

He got banned for the second AFAICT.