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" This sort of accusation has a real effect on my ability to do my job." (La Penny)

Well then I suggest you consider a career change, as as a journo you're going to have a lifetime of accusations and worse.
 
I'd love to see a Molly Crabapple (anyone else hear that as Bart's teacher's surname?) graphic novel about bohemian social workers fighting poverty and crime in tha boro

I'd buy it.
Likewise on the Crabapple name...I always get this image of a sad little pouty Laurie watching from a distance as Molly and Skinner get a bit frisky
 
Ld, what if they can't compromise on the choice of which cupcake you're going to buy between them, eh? Eh?
 
I'd buy it.
Likewise on the Crabapple name...I always get this image of a sad little pouty Laurie watching from a distance as Molly and Skinner get a bit frisky

I am not really arsed that either of them changed their names. However they've chosen names that are so contrived and nauseating. Like Magenta Devine/
 
"Like I say, I've got no idea if you're racist or sexist. I'm sure in your heart you are neither of these things. I have no way of knowing whether what you say about your years of anti-fascist work are true, but I have no reason to disbelieve you."

You may not be sexist " in your heart"...but that's not enough...it's about praxis man...keeping a check on your privilege, and up to date....it's keeping up with the latest potential transgressions...and to do that you've gotta follow the liberal ponificariat. Laurie, Molly and the ginger gimp will be revealing a list of this week's new hate utterances in their latest 3 page pamphlet...£15.99 from any good butcher
 
Shame. As I said above it really is your loss.


BTW If you think it's rough here, try living in the world the rest of us have to live in.

This is going to turn into a "hierarchy of oppression" thing a la Monty Python, isn't it?

"Live in your world? When I were young we got fed a spoonful of warm dogshit and a cup of cat piss, and we were grateful..."

etc etc.

;)
 
fucking hell just got back from a chess match and saw this shite.


@Lauriepenny, i can understand why you're pissed off at this thread. I know you get horrible abuse on twitter etc. I dont think there is a single person on the thread that would condone that. However cant you just look at the criticisms, the majority of which are political and not personal. It is not racist to say that there are problems with state-ran multiculturalism as the IWCA have said. I do not agree with everything the IWCA ever say, and have had plenty of disagreements with them myself. But that article is not racist, quite frankly the kind of hysterical arguments you have put here devalue the meaning of racism.

You are in a position of power over us laurie, power and privilege. We dont all have jobs at the new statesman, we dont all get paid to write bollocks on twitter all day or be jetting off to new york several times a year. You are a celebrity and are earning thousands more than alot of people here will see in their lifetimes, therefore YOU are privileged and not them. I frankly find it appalling how you can say that people such as Love Detective and SpineyNorman are privileged against you when they are not well known or famous (sorry) and dont have access to the kind of power, economic and social that you do. Please just have a look at these criticisms I dont expect you to agree with them but just think about them. I do find it quite concerning that you are not engaging with anything anyone has said even when the majority of people here have been perfectly polite to you and the minority of idiots have been dealt with.

I am frankly quite insulted by you saying that I, and people on this forum who I consider my friends are being labelled as racists whereas i and alot of people here have devoted countless time to fighting racism and for pro working class politics, time which they are not being paid for and often at considerable personal cost, unlike you who is being paid for it.
 
@Lauriepenny : there are compliments on this thread too, however I take exception as a feminist to being labelled as a misogynist and a racist. At the very least you should apologise to spineynorman in particular and to those on the thread in general for using such politically-charged offensive labels purely because constructive criticism has been made.
 
In case you're all wondering, here's the letter I just sent in response to 'SpineyNorman' (I didn't want to reprint his letter without permission but I'm sure he can post it if he feels it's necessary.'

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Hi there,
I must say, I find the tone of this email extremely different from the accusatory, jeering words you've flung at me in the past. It's surprising to me.
You say that you're angry about being called racist. Here are just some of the things you've said about me on Twitter this week:
'apropriating others oppression to ur own ends.'
'political naif'
"weak"

You've participated in a thread that contains, alongside ugly misogyny and threats of violence...


The "threats of violence" being the cartoon a single poster put up, and got howled down for putting up, I take it (given that I haven't seen a single post where anyone has threatened to blow a raspberry at you, let alone give you a shoeing)?

the worst kinds of professional slander - that I lie, that I fabricate quotes and stories, that I bought my way into a job I don't deserve - none of which are remotely true.


Well, it would be more accurate to say that a lot of the negative stuff is based on what other public figures have said about you..

So, was (for example) Julie Bindel slandering you? If so, have you started legal proceedings against her?

This sort of accusation has a real effect on my ability to do my job. You've encouraged and supported people who have written these things and perpetuated these lies. You seem so emotionally affected and full of rage about the way I reacted to your comments - perhaps that might give you some insight into how I feel every single day when I have to read these lies about me embedded in jeering sexist bullying. And then to have one of the bullies respond with legal threats, demands for attention and apology, when I react with anger, when I call out their unexamined privilege? That's bitterly ironic.


Not to minimise your anguish, but perhaps you are getting some valuable insight as to how people like myself feel every single day when we pick up a paper, switch on the TV or turn on the radio, and hear a journo farting out lies about how we're scroungers; how we could find work if we wanted to; how we're a burden.

When you started trashing 'identity politics'...


Anyone who "did" activism in the '70s and '80s is well aware of what the ultimate results of identity politics are - an ignoring of political fundamentals in favour of differentiation, which invariably leads to everyone playing a quasi-Hobbesian game of every identity group against every other identity group.

and retweeted an article that contains, to my mind, the worst sort of left-flavoured unexamined white male privilege (the writer and I are actually engaged in a productive email discussion right now, he admits that some of what he said was wrong) I'm afraid I just lost my cool. I have no idea if you are, in your heart, a racist or a sexist - I'm sure you're a good person. It's actually interesting to know more about your life. All I had to go on before was a picture of Stalin and a Twitter feed full of hate. Now I feel I know you a bit more as an individual. Before you were just one of what looked like a faceless mass of haters spreading lies and threats.

Of course, I know that's not true - probably every one of you is an individual with your own history, your own challenges and secret hurts and triumphs, you've done campaigning work you're rightly proud of, you're a human being with a story. But heres the thing - so am I. You and everyone else on that thread have not treated me as such. Now you're asking that I behave in an empathetic way towards you, when your behaviour towards me has been the absolute opposite. You're asking that I treat you with politeness, respect and humanity, and sensitivity towards how a particular statement might affect your work, when you've shown me the opposite.
Like I say, I've got no idea if you're racist or sexist. I'm sure in your heart you are neither of these things. I have no way of knowing whether what you say about your years of anti-fascist work are true, but I have no reason to disbelieve you.


On the other hand, I think the way you've all collectively behaved on the urban75 thread is stunningly sexist, as well as racist in its blanket writing-off of 'identity politics'.


I hate to lecture (because it's really not much fun if I'm not being paid), but "writing off" identity politics is neither sexist or racist (or classist). It's merely the eschewal of a failed mode of representation that has been shown through experience to be highly damaging to class solidarity, and to human solidarity in general. I know identity politics look to be "the great new thing", but the arguments identity politics make have no more solidity than they did 25 and 35 years ago, they're just dressed up in a new discourse.
 
I like the cartoon, violent or otherwise and intended at Dave or not, fuck her and her sensibilities.

And I shall continue to call Little Ms. Madeupname a cunt, if only to annoy some people on here.:p

I have disengaged... :)
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Do I have to throw out all my anti racist stuff now and start going to strip clubs and picking up hookers? :(
 
laurie's not my facebook friend anymore :(

she was going mental about this thread on facebook btw, more or less accusing urban75 of being a hate site
ffs in that case, no-one direct her to s***mf***t or she'll go into terminal meltdown...
 
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