Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[ReturnOfElfman]

someone who is actually getting paid for 'doing'

 

[Balbi]

'watching'. actually.

LP can produce some very good pieces of work, but lots of her work is characterised by almost being good but lacking that challenging element which makes good journalism. That's an experience thing.

 

[chilango]

Mornin'.



Michael Pannell ‏@MichaelPannell
@PennyRed what I find strange is the 'armchair warriors' questioning the integrity of someone who is actually out there 'doing' .

...and we're back in the room.

 

[DotCommunist]

uncanny how they all chime with this sort of response- criticism and piss taking on the youtube comment thread for the horrendous launch party video for Firebox drew exactly the same thing 'what are you doing, blah'. If your not north london champers socialist you're fuck all

 

[rekil]

Il Dave Is Always Right!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Michael Pannell ‏@MichaelPannell
@PennyRed what I find strange is the 'armchair warriors' questioning the integrity of someone who is actually out there 'doing' .

That's a fucking peach!

Twat.

 

[killer b]

The idea that people who post about politics on the internet must not be active beyond that is a curious one. What does he think penny is doing?

 

[Nylock]

Michael Pannell ‏@MichaelPannell
@PennyRed what I find strange is the 'armchair warriors' questioning the integrity of someone who is actually out there 'doing' .

...and so the commentariat circle-jerk continues apace...

 

[SpineyNorman]

yeah I get that general point, but there are also a fair amount of the posts about her that are also missing that point, and are basically just direct personal attacks against her. IMO.

Yeah well she doesn't get to complain about that since she started libeling people as racists does she? Fuck her.

 

[TruXta]

Yeah well she doesn't get to complain about that since she started libeling people as racists does she? Fuck her.

What? One doesn't excuse the other.

 

[SpineyNorman]

What? One doesn't excuse the other.

Who said it did?

 

[TruXta]

Who said it did?

You did when you said she doesn't get to complain.

 

[SpineyNorman]

You did when you said she doesn't get to complain.

No, I said she didn't get to complain. Not that it excused it.

Fuck her. I despise the horrible little spoilt brat.

 

[TruXta]

 

[rekil]

No, I said she didn't get to complain. Not that it excused it.

Fuck her. I despise the horrible little spoilt brat.

Hate hurts the hater more than the hatee. I got that from Mr.Zodiac Mindwarp's novel 'Get Your Cock Out.'

 

[SpineyNorman]

Roll your eyes all you want. You're not the one being libeled.

 

[TruXta]

Roll your eyes all you want. You're not the one being libeled.

I get that you're fucked off, you've every right to be. That doesn't make it fine for you to say if she's abused she should just suck it up. Have a think eh?

 

[SpineyNorman]

I get that you're fucked off, you've every right to be. That doesn't make it fine for you to say if she's abused she should just suck it up. Have a think eh?

Hang on, so people can't take the piss now? Taking the piss is 'abuse'? Have one back

 

[TruXta]

Hang on, so people can't take the piss now? Taking the piss is 'abuse'? Have one back

There's a difference between taking the piss and personal attacks. You said she doesn't get to complain about personal attacks anymore. I take that to mean that if someone called her an anorexic mental cunt, you'd be fine with that.

 

[SpineyNorman]

There's a difference between taking the piss and personal attacks. You said she doesn't get to complain about personal attacks anymore. I take that to mean that if someone called her an anorexic mental cunt, you'd be fine with that.

No of course I wouldn't. But nobody has done that have they?

 

[TruXta]

No of course I wouldn't. But nobody has done that have they?

No, but they could. And tbf there's been more than one occasion on here when criticism of LP as a token has veered well into personal attacks. Anyway.

 

[Random]

Yeah well she doesn't get to complain about that since she started libeling people as racists does she? Fuck her.

For me, it's not about what she deserves, it's about what we deserve. Do we want a thread based on political points that are useful, or based on personal attacks that are empty of political content.

 

[SpineyNorman]

No, but they could. And tbf there's been more than one occasion on here when criticism of LP as a token has veered well into personal attacks. Anyway.

Here's the thing - I don't need to consider her feelings to know misogynistic comments, homphobic comments, comments about mental health etc aren't acceptable. Because she's not the only one hurt by stuff like that.

 

[SpineyNorman]

For me, it's not about what she deserves, it's about what we deserve. Do we want a thread based on political points that are useful, or based on personal attacks that are empty of political content.

Depends whether they're funny or not.

 

[Random]

Here's the thing - I don't need to consider her feelings to know misogynistic comments, homphobic comments, comments about mental health etc aren't acceptable. Because she's not the only one hurt by stuff like that.

Good point, well said

 

[TruXta]

Here's the thing - I don't need to consider her feelings to know misogynistic comments, homphobic comments, comments about mental health etc aren't acceptable. Because she's not the only one hurt by stuff like that.

Fine, so you essentially retract what you said earlier about her having to suck it up. Good, I'm glad we agree on that.

 

[The39thStep]

For me, it's not about what she deserves, it's about what we deserve. Do we want a thread based on political points that are useful, or based on personal attacks that are empty of political content.

That is one of the most difficult choices I have ever had to think about.

 

[Random]

That is one of the most difficult choices I have ever had to think about.

I had to put it to a show of hands at last night's mass meeting of the Nordic Communist League.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Fine, so you essentially retract what you said earlier about her having to suck it up. Good, I'm glad we agree on that.

No I don't - I said she doesn't get to complain any more. I stand by that.

 

[TruXta]

No I don't - I said she doesn't get to complain any more. I stand by that.

I give up.