Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[spawnofsatan]

Can the next thread like this be about Sunny Hundal, he bites like fuck

 

[DotCommunist]

He'll probably convert to Islam before he comes out. Isn't that the way the script usually goes?

'My name, Is George Galloway.I'm here to endorse Tommy Robinson as MP for Luton. So if you're tired of the bankers getting richer, vote tommy. Respect yourself'

2015?

 

[Bakunin]

Can the next thread like this be about Sunny Hundal, he bites like fuck

I could always tweet Liz Jones if that would be helpful.

 

[Random]

I'm such a liberal I even think being in the boss class does people no good but they don't realise.

We need to destroy their systems of power for their own good.

The working class is the Supernanny of history.

 

[sihhi]

Can you post a link to that please? I'd like to read that piece in its entirety.

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/model-behavior/

I did link it earlier, I don't think people read thru (my) long posts

 

[JimW]

We need to destroy their systems of power for their own good.

The working class is the Supernanny of history.

I'll have a tear in my eye as I shoot them like Old Shep behind the barn.

 

[sam goloden]

'My name, Is George Galloway.I'm here to endorse Tommy Robinson as MP for Luton. So if you're tired of the bankers getting richer, vote tommy. Respect yourself'

2015?

Seriously, though, converting to Islam is probably the best thing the arsehole could possibly do for himself.

 

[equationgirl]

Also, her brief stint at the Independent?
This was her announcement in late-March this year: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gl5s5r

The Independent, however, have offered me a job as a full- time columnist and reporter, and I have accepted.

Because I am in urgent need of some time to sit my bum on a chair and not get up until I've written a book, I'll start working for the Independent on a part- time basis at the end of April, and then on a full time basis in June. It's a big step and I'm a bit nervous, but mostly hugely excited.

Then, in early October http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/staggers/2012/10/laurie-penny-rejoins-new-statesman

Laurie Penny is rejoining the New Statesman in the new position of contributing editor.

From the beginning of November, she will write a column for the magazine and a weekly blog for NewStatesman.com.

Laurie Penny said: “It has been an honour and a privilege to work with the Independent over the past nine months, but I am delighted to be rejoining the New Statesman as Contributing Editor. The decision to leave the Independent was a difficult one but this new role offers me a chance to move my writing in a new direction. I am extremely excited to be back at my old stable.”

Now, by my calculations, based on her own words she did six months at most at the Independent, probably less if her NS return was being talked about by 10th October this year.

I wonder why?

 

[bluestreak]

You're right I don't understand this bit either. If the anorexia treatment staff are imposing these rules that's a massive violation of medical ethics.



I am actually shocked that a patient was nudged or cornered to pair up with someone - to my mind it seems massively counter-intuitive to suggest anything like that to someone facing anorexia.

probably a private hospital. i dunno about nhs anarexia treatment but i've done my time in nhs addiction units and it's dry-you-out ship-you-out.

 

[bluestreak]

This suggests you might be guilty of monogamy privilege:

I have no opinion on the matter. I don't know anything about it at all.

i'm not monogamous. i'm free to sleep with whoever i like, whenever i like. provided of course, they want to sleep with me. i just don't call it a pretty name and claim some sort of identity rights because of it.

 

[sam goloden]

Also, her brief stint at the Independent?
This was her announcement in late-March this year: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gl5s5r



Then, in early October http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/staggers/2012/10/laurie-penny-rejoins-new-statesman



Now, by my calculations, based on her own words she did six months at most at the Independent, probably less if her NS return was being talked about by 10th October this year.

I wonder why?

I wonder what it's like to be 'hugely excited' or 'extremely excited' so often? Even at her age I was usually just vaguely pissed off all the time.

 

[stethoscope]

I so regret turning down that offer from the Indie when they came a calling.

Oh wait...

 

[sihhi]

i'm not monogamous. i'm free to sleep with whoever i like, whenever i like. provided of course, they want to sleep with me. i just don't call it a pretty name and claim some sort of identity rights because of it.

Ah OK, so I presume you reject the notion that you are suffering from internalised monoamory.

 

[bluestreak]

she's saying she was sectioned, or subjected to some other kind of forced treatment. If that's true, then why not mythologise it and write up her experiences how she likes? There's little written by mental health system survivors.

in my experience it worked like this: you're in the unit and you're free to go. however, attempting to leave would result in a section. in effect it is forced treatment, however, i personally don't feel that it is unreasonable. she must have got there first, presumably concerned family took her there.

 

[equationgirl]

I wonder what it's like to be 'hugely excited' or 'extremely excited' so often? Even at her age I was usually just vaguely pissed off all the time.

I bet it's fantabulous *sighs*

 

[DotCommunist]

in my experience it worked like this: you're in the unit and you're free to go. however, attempting to leave would result in a section. in effect it is forced treatment, however, i personally don't feel that it is unreasonable. she must have got there first, presumably concerned family took her there.

I'm informed that you throw chairs through windows AFTER the section is handed down cos that way they can't bill you for property damage

 

[sihhi]

she's saying she was sectioned, or subjected to some other kind of forced treatment. If that's true, then why not mythologise it and write up her experiences how she likes? There's little written by mental health system survivors.

Are you saying she is mythologising it or not?

I'm not disputing what she's written, it must obviously have been absolute hell for her; just that it's a little unclear - explaining fragments but not the whole story sort of thing which undermines what the reader can draw from it other than anorexia and mental health units are difficult things.

 

[where to]

Her biggest problem is that she has no sense of humour. Which is a common trait amongst offence-seeking ultra-liberals types come to think of it.

 

[Bakunin]

Ah OK, so I presume you reject the notion that you are suffering from internalised monoamory.

Internal self-love?

Would this be a good time to post a drilldo pic?

 

[bluestreak]

Ah OK, so I presume you reject the notion that you are suffering from internalised monoamory.

that's about the only mental health diagnosis i haven't previously had.

 

[sam goloden]

I bet it's fantabulous *sighs*

It may be that she's one of those people who never grasps that everything turns out to be a big anti-climax.

 

[bluestreak]

I'm informed that you throw chairs through windows AFTER the section is handed down cos that way they can't bill you for property damage

i was so pumped full of drugs i can remember neither the windows nor the chairs, but i assume both must ahve been present in some form.

 

[Blagsta]

she's saying she was sectioned, or subjected to some other kind of forced treatment. If that's true, then why not mythologise it and write up her experiences how she likes? There's little written by mental health system survivors.

She's no Ron Coleman, that's for sure.

 

[Blagsta]

She's a half man half biscuit fan?

The Smiths, surely?

 

[bluestreak]

Are you saying she is mythologising it or not?

I'm not disputing what she's written, it must obviously have been absolute hell for her; just that it's a little unclear - explaining fragments but not the whole story sort of thing which undermines what the reader can draw from it other than anorexia and mental health units are difficult things.

more of my take on it: there are some things you don't dredge up more than you have to. also, it wasn't glamourous, it wasn;t one flew over the cuckoo's nest. it was boring, and miserable, and sad, and she may have been on lots of valium which effects the short-term memory - she may not ever remember much of it. craziness is only fun and glamourous when it's liberating. the bell jar is a great read but once you start to live it you get pretty angry at sylvia plath for ever making it seem so!

 

[Blagsta]

in my experience it worked like this: you're in the unit and you're free to go. however, attempting to leave would result in a section. in effect it is forced treatment, however, i personally don't feel that it is unreasonable. she must have got there first, presumably concerned family took her there.

Although you can't be sectioned for addiction. You can for any other underlying mental health problems that are agreed to be a danger to yourself or others. You're right though, informal patients are often informal in name only.

 

[Nylock]

Trying to catch up here. So we're not racist apart from spineynorman whose racism is growing exponentially but we're all still solidly misogynist. ?

Yes, we are. Especially the feminists in this thread...

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Tbh I believe her about the anorexia stuff and I don't think it's right for us to go there - even if she is making a thing of it herself, that is her right and it's not our business.

Unlike all the shit she has come out with about everything else.

 

[bluestreak]

Although you can't be sectioned for addiction. You can for any other underlying mental health problems that are agreed to be a danger to yourself or others. You're right though, informal patients are often informal in name only.

that's kind of what i meant, apols if it sounded like i was giving misleading information.

 

[Blagsta]

that's kind of what i meant, apols if it sounded like i was giving misleading information.

No worries, I'm just being pedantic!