sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
It’s been running for the past year?.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
- Thread starter MrSki
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
If you lived in the uk you’d be twice as likely to be dead from COVID. Unlucky.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.coronavirus.jhu.edu
Not if you caught it today, or even a month ago, like my step great aunt did, but she was just unlucky to live in Holland.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Telegraph tbf have been remarkably consistent highlighting Brexit including the NIP ( not the Northumbria one), the Sinn Fein funeral and confidence in policing, sense of being left behind in Loyalist communities, criminal gangs especially 'the rogue faction - the South East Antrim UDA - reacting to recent police operations targeting its criminal empire. ' and a political crisis in unionism and the DUP with support rising for a border poll on Irish unity.
gosub
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Show's how much i've been paying attention recently. Sorry (a lot on my plate at mo, same as everybody else.)
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Hopefully better times ahead.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sure this was in the news some months back
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
andysays
Love and solidarity
To be more specific, it's the Northern Ireland Secretary who has said it's almost all down to Brexit, thus neatly avoiding the issue of what he and his predecessors have been doing for the past two decades since the GFA to actively improve the social divisions such that rioting isn't seen as an appropriate response to political differences.
The immediate trigger to this may be the fallout from a botched Brexit, but the underlying reasons have been there since long before Brexit was even a gleam in Nigel Farage's eye...
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
I wonder where the figure will be by the end of 2021. Probably costing the UK more than its total membership fees along with the cost of the other shite that goes with it. FOM, NI, etc.
I know the benefits might take a while to show themselves & I am not going to hold my breath but apart from the vaccine debacle I am not yet aware of any.
Doppelgänger
There's only one of me!
You're struggling to name benefits as there aren't any.
Someone will be along in a min naming an advantage to leaving the EU, but it will be a sad handful.
From an overall position, the UK is poorer and has lost out.
I am prepared to be wrong on this, but as Rees-Mogg said it would be 50 years before there is a real Brexit dividend. So not in my lifetime, hooray!
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
Most leave voters would name the main benefit of brexit as leaving the EU. There has been very little shift in opinion of the leave voters or the remain voters. Anybody who thinks that most leave voters will begin to regret their decision to vote leave will be waiting a long time I think. I could point out to my neighbour any disadvantage of brexit you like & he will just shake his head & say “well it’s obvious they would punish us but fuck’em”.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
I think that some city dwellers may not have met that many leave voters & know them personally. The small town where I live voted well over 70% to leave. That is 3 out of 4 voted leave. A Tory MP is always returned with a huge majority. These are people from all walks of life from the not wealthy to the quite wealthy. When you live in a small town for decades & you are a friendly & chatty person like me you tend to know a lot of people not necessarily as friends but as acquaintances you chat to in the street.
I my view what most of these people have in common is that they are deeply deeply conservative. Their almost universal racism comes from a belief that people who do not look & think like them do not belong here. Apart from package holidays to Spain & coach trips or river cruises on the European mainland they are not really interested in “abroad”. They go on holidays to enjoy themselves in better weather not to seek enlightenment.
I do not believe any of them will ever regret voting to leave the EU as any conflict with the EU & any disadvantages resulting from that conflict will make them more certain that the decision to leave the EU was the right one.
I my view what most of these people have in common is that they are deeply deeply conservative. Their almost universal racism comes from a belief that people who do not look & think like them do not belong here. Apart from package holidays to Spain & coach trips or river cruises on the European mainland they are not really interested in “abroad”. They go on holidays to enjoy themselves in better weather not to seek enlightenment.
I do not believe any of them will ever regret voting to leave the EU as any conflict with the EU & any disadvantages resulting from that conflict will make them more certain that the decision to leave the EU was the right one.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
on the plus side ukip has become irrelevant and nigel farage is reduced to delivering greetings for money.
For now... I reckon by the next election or the one after that they'll be at the "Real Brexit has never been tried" phase.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
I think this is just yesterday’s news though. We have left the EU & we will not be rejoining anytime soon. In years to come the trading relationship we now have with the EU will become normal & our loss of freedom of movement & right to work in the EU will become a distant memory particularly to future generations who have never known the rights we enjoyed along with EU membership.
We don’t particularly hate other countries we regard as friendly ie USA Australia & so on & yet we have similar or less advantaged trading relationships & rights to travel & work in those countries as we do now with EU countries.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's a plus and i'll take my benefits where i can find them, few, fleeting and far between tho they may be
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
"fainites"
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Thanks for this refreshing insight.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Until they have to pay for visas to travel & find their driving licence is no longer valid in their country of choice. Still they will blame the EU for this rather than those responsible.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
The ETIAS visa waiver which I think is coming in a couple of years will be valid for 3 yrs & will not cost much. Once it is all sorted a plane load of UK package tourists landing in Spain will not take that much longer to get out of the airport than before. Plenty I know prefer Turkey nowadays anyway.
I think those that are really affected by brexit will have seen this coming & voted remain. Apart from the terminally stupid & there are plenty of them those that have enjoyed long term caravan or motorhome trips around Europe & spending winters in Spain will have voted remain as will owners of holiday homes & mobile homes in France & Spain who were used pre brexit of coming & going whenever they wanted & spending most of the year abroad. The 90 day in 180 day rule for foreign tourists is common throughout the world & anybody with any sense knew that ending free movement works both ways.
Apart from brexit disadvantaging pleasure seekers anybody doing business with the EU who had any sense will also have been on the remain side. It is remain voters pouring bile & venom on leave voters who have the regrets not the leave voters themselves. To see all leave voters as stupid is understandable but fact is most leave voters are not being disadvantaged by brexit in any meaningful way & I don’t think a few more minutes getting out of the airport before their 2 week pissup in the Spanish sun will be seen as any reason not to have voted leave.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
They aren’t going to drive abroad or require a visa for a weekend abroad.
Those who do are rich enough to comfortably buy a visa or exemption and someone to help with driving licenses
Doppelgänger
There's only one of me!
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
So no more booze cruises then? You not going to get many tinnies if you are a foot passenger. Nobody hires a car when they go on holiday?
Doppelgänger
There's only one of me!
Really?
To enter Schengen you'll needs the ETIAS as a third country. At least as the way it stands now.
You have more money, great. It won't be helping you though.
You can't just shout "do you know who I am" and expect preferential treatment. I think Brits holidaying in the EU will be in for a rude awakening
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Don't need a visa or ETIAS to holiday in the EU if you are from the UK at the moment and you can use a UK licence to drive on holiday. The driving license exchange is for residents only. ETIAS won't commence until next year at the earliest, it will be five minute job online before you go on holiday. Will cost around 7 euros for a three year certificate.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Thank you for the clarification.
Hopefully these will not be part of any sanctions relating to the UK breaking arrangements in the NIP.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
To drive into EU once we are allowed to the only extra stuff required is a green card which is a white bit of paper supplied foc from your insurance & a GB sticker. An international driving permit is not required.
Although day trips will still be possible duty free allowances are back severely limiting amounts of alcohol & fags you can bring back.
ETAIS which is not required yet will be fuck all about £8 for 3 yrs. Biggest change is the time limit for tourists in EU 90 days in 180. Same as US & Oz etc. To retire in Spain unless living there pre brexit & registered as a resident now will cost a Brit as much a it would to retire to Florida or Oz Gold Coast. A lot. Ie buy house. Prove income & pay health insurance. I think even existing Brit residents in Spain have had to prove at least £21000pa income each which has fucked up a lot of Brit pensioners there. Also Spanish bureaucracy is difficult to negotiate. There have been loads of Brits living in Spain for years working cash in hand & they are being kicked out.
Although day trips will still be possible duty free allowances are back severely limiting amounts of alcohol & fags you can bring back.
ETAIS which is not required yet will be fuck all about £8 for 3 yrs. Biggest change is the time limit for tourists in EU 90 days in 180. Same as US & Oz etc. To retire in Spain unless living there pre brexit & registered as a resident now will cost a Brit as much a it would to retire to Florida or Oz Gold Coast. A lot. Ie buy house. Prove income & pay health insurance. I think even existing Brit residents in Spain have had to prove at least £21000pa income each which has fucked up a lot of Brit pensioners there. Also Spanish bureaucracy is difficult to negotiate. There have been loads of Brits living in Spain for years working cash in hand & they are being kicked out.
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dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
I am legally living in Spain with residencia permanente. I got my TIE, the ID card for non-EU citizens, about a month ago. I also changed my driving licence, as was required for anyone living here for longer than 6 months. I have been here since November 2012.
At the moment, assuming you are are legal resident, and were resident before 1st Jan 2021, you do not need to prove income. Whether or not this will remain the case is, of course, another matter. If you are in the health system, and have paid/are paying into it you do not need additional health insurance.
No one, at this time, is being kicked out. That is just the British press scaremongering. Those few who have been refused entry are ones arriving without proper paperwork for entry.
If you are here legally, not much has changed if you have residencia.
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