A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Steel Icarus]

So people who voted for Brexit actually thought that Johnson would have the ability to sort out the whole border issue?

Given he wasn't Prime Minister at the time I don't think anybody considered what Johnson would do with Brexit, let alone the border issue.

 

[Supine]

Given he wasn't Prime Minister at the time I don't think anybody considered what Johnson would do with Brexit, let alone the border issue.

We obviously considered what the Conservative party would do though.

 

[Steel Icarus]

We obviously considered what the Conservative party would do though.

I didn't. I just considered whether to leave or stay in the EU.

 

[gosub]

So people who voted for Brexit actually thought that Johnson would have the ability to sort out the whole border issue?

No, number of bomb incidents when I was growing up, thought we'd go for the type of Brexit which didn't create a border issue.

 

[gosub]

We obviously considered what the Conservative party would do though.

Yeah, but turns out its hard to second guess batshit

 

[two sheds]

So people who voted for Brexit actually thought that Johnson would have the ability to sort out the whole border issue?

I've lived in the Netherlands for 5 years and originally was enthusiastic for membership of the EU. Largely because of discussions on here though I did think again. I actually didn't vote because I didn't think it would make much difference because the tories are in power and so we're largely fucked either way

The border was just one factor though, and I respect people who believed that continuing as part of the European suprastate wasn't going to do working class people any good at all.

 

[MrSki]

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Tbf if remainer Cameron hadn’t called it...

Then if remainer May hadn’t tied us in to hard Brexit with her red lines...

Remainers need to own this.

 

[MrSki]

Tbf if remainer Cameron hadn’t called it...

Then if remainer May hadn’t tied us in to hard Brexit with her red lines...

Remainers need to own this.

Leavers new exactly what they were voting for. Shame if it wasn't for the pesky press billionaires spreading their anti EU lies & giving Farage a voice then none of this shit would have happened.

 

[Supine]

Tbf if remainer Cameron hadn’t called it...

Then if remainer May hadn’t tied us in to hard Brexit with her red lines...

Remainers need to own this.

not sure if you’re being trying to be funny, sarcastic or idiotic

 

[gosub]

Tbf if remainer Cameron hadn’t called it...

Then if remainer May hadn’t tied us in to hard Brexit with her red lines...

Remainers need to own this.

nah there had to be a referendum, the treaties and change since people (the youngest now retirement age) voted to join the Common Market. When exactly were they planning on consulting on the direction of travel?

 

[MrSki]

 

[gosub]

May,...
nah can't fathom what happened there at all

Well I can but whythefuck

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

nah there had to be a referendum, the treaties and change since people (the youngest now retirement age) voted to join the Common Market. When exactly were they planning on consulting on the direction of travel?

Cameron didn’t call it for that reason though, he did it to stop the infighting in his party and didn’t consider leaving to be a possibility, even though once he called it leave became a certainty as the status quo for so many had been so shit for so long.

 

[gosub]

Cameron didn’t call it for that reason though, he did it to stop the infighting in his party and didn’t consider leaving to be a possibility, even though once he called it leave became a certainty as the status quo for so many had been so shit for so long.

Shame he told the civil service not to workshop the possibility and shame on them for not doing so anyway, hardly silver service

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Cameron didn’t call it for that reason though, he did it to stop the infighting in his party and didn’t consider leaving to be a possibility, even though once he called it leave became a certainty as the status quo for so many had been so shit for so long.

And let’s not forget that the status quo that was so shit, and which people were kicking against, included the GFA settlement. And, if IIRC nobody gave much of a toss. And when you come to think about it their disinterest extended to the poverty, inequality and alienation that has flourished in large parts of Leave voting Britain.

I suppose for some things were better when they could pretend most people didn't exist and could safely be ignored

 

[Supine]

Hahaha

Rabid brexiteer arguing on Newsnight for closer integration with Europe because of the issues in Ireland.

 

[MrSki]

Hahaha

Rabid brexiteer arguing on Newsnight for closer integration with Europe because of the issues in Ireland.

Re-joining the single market would make a lot of sense.

 

[The39thStep]

I love the way that the solution to the UK still occupying six counties in the north of Ireland is apparently solved by the North rejoining the EU's single market.

 

[MrSki]

I love the way that the solution to the UK still occupying six counties in the north of Ireland is apparently solved by the North rejoining the EU's single market.

Not NI the whole of the UK.

 

[The39thStep]

 

[The39thStep]

Not NI the whole of the UK.

 

[Doppelgänger]

Re-joining the single market would make a lot of sense.

Northern Ireland effectively is in the Single Market still.

 

[Dystopiary]

Brexit, the EU itself, poverty, the border, British - or more specifically - English hedgemony; selfish and ignorant government handling of the pandemic (profit before people), the subsequent need for lockdown and the resulting frustrations and fear, and for many people grief (not just talking Northern Ireland here). Just one mess after another. Because greedy bastards run the show.

 

[MrSki]

Northern Ireland effectively is in the Single Market still.

Yeah as I said above it would help in the whole of the UK re-joined the SM and also the CU to keep the farmers & fisherfolk happy too.

 

[Humberto]

You'd think we are governed by incompetent shit heads in Westminster.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I can understand why the op posted this & I am sympathetic. I will admit I was in denial after the ref. I thought no this just is not going to happen. This is just so wasteful & pointless. Then came the years of political turmoil & It looked possibly it might not happen. In the end though I thought it probably would because that is what people voted for.

All the arguments like possibly void referendum due to it being legally only advisory & so on could not get away from that people had voted to leave in a binary vote. People I knew who voted leave. I felt their quiet anger while they thought their vote might be denied. Then the general election came & most people I knew said they thought Johnson was a wanker but they were voting Tory just to get things sorted. I knew it was lost then & I let it go. All the anger went & now I am going with it. Despite my love of going to our near European neighbours I am only ever going to go over there on camping trips.

I was born in this country. I will die here & English is the only language I speak more than a few words of so I need to stop pretending I am as European as I thought I was. The op needs to let brexit go & concentrate how they can do what they want to do with things as they are now. For me politically the most important thing is to right the wrongs that exist in this country.

Bob, as somebody who supported Brexit (or rather GLexit=Green Left Exit) I appreciate your reflective sentiments. What I see as tragic is that Bojo and the rest of the Tory clowns are unprincipled crooks whose vision is not mine, that is the new battle. In which of course Johnson's Little Echo Starmer will play no part, except as the enemy.

 

[MrSki]

He knew exactly what he was doing. In his own words.

 

[andysays]

Brexit is the driving force behind this awful violence and any discussion has to involve the catastrophic mess it has created, even if it is a little awkward for Brexiteers.

Some might say that the real reason for the recent upsurge in violence (which as I understand never went completely away) is that even though the GFA papered over some of the cracks, nothing was really done to address longstanding social problems and divisions within Northern Ireland.

The blame for that lies primarily with the British government and the established parties in NI, and perhaps with the Irish government and the EU.

It certainly doesn't lie with ordinary people who voted to leave the EU, and it's becoming a little boring that some people, with little appreciation of the long term issues, seem intent on continuing to blame them.

 

[ska invita]

Disruption was one of the selling points of Brexit
This is partly what kicking the established order looks like, no?