A thank you to Brexiteers.

[dessiato]

But two days later it did give us this great sign.

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Which could only have been improved if the stick figure on fire had a diagonal line through it.

Been there, done that. The sign's too late for me.

 

[A380]

Been there, done that. The sign's too late for me.

TBF, would a sign have helped? Really?

 

[dessiato]

TBF, would a sign have helped? Really?

Which time? ☹

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It certainly doesn't lie with ordinary people who voted to leave the EU, and it's becoming a little boring that some people, with little appreciation of the long term issues, seem intent on continuing to blame them.

It’s not just the erroneous blaming, it’s the all consuming obsession with Brexit, where all political roads must be directed back to the referendum to ‘prove’ that remain was right. Not only is that wrong and politically disabling but what could be more alienating to young workers than listening to older types constantly harping back to the past? An 18 year old in Belfast angry at lockdown, their life chances (already shit and getting worse) going down the tube and a bleak future really isn’t going to give much slack to a load of dad types harping on about the solution to their problems being closer economic trading arrangements with Macron and Merkel.

Cant get a job? Brexit. Cant get a home? Brexit Cops on your back? Brexit Shinners being treated preferentially by the state? Brexit etc

It’s otherworldly stuff. Cult-like and irrelevant to the lived experience of ordinary people.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Cant get a job? Brexit. Cant get a home? Brexit Cops on your back? Brexit Shinners being treated preferentially by the state? Brexit etc

But you can get a vaccine that stops you from dying, unlike the people in the Republic? Just a lucky gamble, etc.

 

[brogdale]

It’s not just the erroneous blaming, it’s the all consuming obsession with Brexit, where all political roads must be directed back to the referendum to ‘prove’ that remain was right. Not only is that wrong and politically disabling but what could be more alienating to young workers than listening to older types constantly harping back to the past? An 18 year old in Belfast angry at lockdown, their life chances (already shit and getting worse) going down the tube and a bleak future really isn’t going to give much slack to a load of dad types harping on about the solution to their problems being closer economic trading arrangements with Macron and Merkel.

Cant get a job? Brexit. Cant get a home? Brexit Cops on your back? Brexit Shinners being treated preferentially by the state? Brexit etc

It’s otherworldly stuff. Cult-like and irrelevant to the lived experience of ordinary people.

Yes, blaming the unrest exclusively on the NI protocol could be seen as an extension of the 'cult-like' mind-set of the FBPE brigade. But, then again, seeing pro-Brexit elements joining in with the Government tendency to diminish or ignore the imposition of the sea-border as one element of the grievances driving the unrest also takes on a 'cult-like' dimension.

As we agreed yesterday, Johnson's betrayal of the governing political wing of Loyalism, has given credibility to the long-established tradition of victimhood and community persecution that drives Unionist voting and maintains an underlying anger within the community.

It is not wrong to point out that in order to secure Brexit, as it exists, Johnson repeatedly lied about the impact on the province, cast anyone saying otherwise as 'scaremongers' and ultimately betrayed the trust of the DUP and their support.

To deny that Brexit plays a part in where we are now with NI is fanciful.

 

[Pickman's model]

So I see baton rounds and water cannon used against nationalists/republicans but not loyalists/unionists. Strange that

 

[andysays]

So I see baton rounds and water cannon used against nationalists/republicans but not loyalists/unionists. Strange that

It's because of Brexit, silly

 

[MickiQ]

That statement belies reality on the ground, violence has achieved something that complaining hasn't. It has got the Govt to actually pay attention to the problem. I rather doubt they have a viable solution though.

 

[MrSki]

From The Times.

 

[gosub]

It’s not just the erroneous blaming, it’s the all consuming obsession with Brexit, where all political roads must be directed back to the referendum to ‘prove’ that remain was right. Not only is that wrong and politically disabling but what could be more alienating to young workers than listening to older types constantly harping back to the past? An 18 year old in Belfast angry at lockdown, their life chances (already shit and getting worse) going down the tube and a bleak future really isn’t going to give much slack to a load of dad types harping on about the solution to their problems being closer economic trading arrangements with Macron and Merkel.

Cant get a job? Brexit. Cant get a home? Brexit Cops on your back? Brexit Shinners being treated preferentially by the state? Brexit etc

It’s otherworldly stuff. Cult-like and irrelevant to the lived experience of ordinary people.

Concur. Its like dealing with the toaster from Red Dwarf.

 

[gosub]

That statement belies reality on the ground, violence has achieved something that complaining hasn't. It has got the Govt to actually pay attention to the problem. I rather doubt they have a viable solution though.

Spose we could nuke Belgium

 

[A380]

So I see baton rounds and water cannon used against nationalists/republicans but not loyalists/unionists. Strange that

Water canon are made in Germany, so an EU product that can only be used on those who voted remain.

 

[MysteryGuest]

or more specifically - English hedgemony;

Well the DUP have boxed themselves in for sure.

 

[editor]

Not only is that wrong and politically disabling but what could be more alienating to young workers than listening to older types constantly harping back to the past?

The vast majority of young people were opposed to Brexit, so they've every right to be angry about a decision that affects their future being brought on by 'older types'.

How did young people vote in the Brexit referendum? - Full Fact

A poll estimated that 73% of under-25 voters voted Remain in the EU referendum. Other polls have reached a similar figure, but it’s impossible to say exactly…

fullfact.org

 

[brogdale]

Yes, blaming the unrest exclusively on the NI protocol could be seen as an extension of the 'cult-like' mind-set of the FBPE brigade. But, then again, seeing pro-Brexit elements joining in with the Government tendency to diminish or ignore the imposition of the sea-border as one element of the grievances driving the unrest also takes on a 'cult-like' dimension.

As we agreed yesterday, Johnson's betrayal of the governing political wing of Loyalism, has given credibility to the long-established tradition of victimhood and community persecution that drives Unionist voting and maintains an underlying anger within the community.

It is not wrong to point out that in order to secure Brexit, as it exists, Johnson repeatedly lied about the impact on the province, cast anyone saying otherwise as 'scaremongers' and ultimately betrayed the trust of the DUP and their support.

To deny that Brexit plays a part in where we are now with NI is fanciful.

Guardian carrying a statement from some Loyalist voices (LCC) that are putting the NI protocol front and centre of the unrest, FWIW:

But the LCC said there had been a “spectacular collective failure” to understand their anger over Brexit and other issues, and the border protocol must be renegotiated. Critics of the departure deal’s Northern Ireland protocol say a border is in effect in the Irish Sea, leaving unionists feeling betrayed.

“We have repeatedly urged HM Government, political leaders and Institutions to take seriously our warnings of the dangerous consequences of imposing this hard border on us and the need for earnest dialogue to resolve matters. We reiterate that message now,” the LCC said.

 

[TopCat]

I don’t think pandering to the cunts over bonfires and parades and expressions of sectarian bigotry is the right way forward.

 

[brogdale]

I don’t think pandering to the cunts over bonfires and parades and expressions of sectarian bigotry is the right way forward.

No, but in the context of some pro-Brexit attempts to portray the causes of the unrest as anything but the protocol, the clear expression of how some Loyalists perceive the import of the sea-border betrayal is significant.

 

[gosub]

No, but in the context of some pro-Brexit attempts to portray the causes of the unrest as anything but the protocol, the clear expression of how some Loyalists perceive the import of the sea-border betrayal is significant.

Sorry, I think what's more evident is the contingent saying that its ALL Brexit, against acceptance right up to NI Minister acknowledging that it is a factor

 

[Pickman's model]

I think the death of prince philip shows how far the state will go in attempts to regain the propaganda initiative

 

[Badgers]

Sorry, I think what's more evident is the contingent saying that its ALL Brexit, against acceptance right up to NI Minister acknowledging that it is a factor

As I mentioned up thread the UK government admit it is almost all down to Brexit. If you have a better source let me know.

 

[brogdale]

Sorry, I think what's more evident is the contingent saying that its ALL Brexit, against acceptance right up to NI Minister acknowledging that it is a factor

I'm more interested in what's being said on the ground, tbh.

 

[ska invita]

As I mentioned up thread the UK government admit it is almost all down to Brexit. If you have a better source let me know.

Gosub'll post another Daily Telegraph link in 10...9....8....7....

 

[Pickman's model]

As I mentioned up thread the UK government admit it is almost all down to Brexit. If you have a better source let me know.

I see you trust government utterances on this.

But like brogdale I'd like confirmation from those on the spot

 

[gosub]

As I mentioned up thread the UK government admit it is almost all down to Brexit. If you have a better source let me know.

Difficult to get one what with Stormont having been suspended for over 4 years

 

[Badgers]

I see you trust government utterances on this.

But like brogdale I'd like confirmation from those on the spot

I have the online meeting recorded but can't post it. PM me if you want mate.

 

[Pickman's model]

Difficult to get one what with Stormont having been suspended for over 4 years

The loyalists perhaps

 

[sleaterkinney]

But you can get a vaccine that stops you from dying, unlike the people in the Republic? Just a lucky gamble, etc.

If you lived in the uk you’d be twice as likely to be dead from COVID. Unlucky.

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[gosub]

If you lived in the uk you’d be twice as likely to be dead from COVID. Unlucky.

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

Not to mention Cheltenham

 

[sleaterkinney]

. Not only is that wrong and politically disabling but what could be more alienating to young workers than listening to older types constantly harping back to the past?

This never happens in NI btw.