A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Please don’t set yourself on fire accidentally.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're obvs forgetting the tan war 1919-21, which has a certain relevance being as we're talking about ireland.
gosub
~#
No cos the point was the bad peace brought about by the treaty of versailles.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There isn't quite the unanimity on that that once there was
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
And the BBC finally give it more than 30 seconds on the news.
The BBC News channel has been covering it for days, as has Sky News, in fact it was the main story on the main BBC 6 o'clock news today, taking up about 20-25% of the bulletin.
But, I guess if people don't actually watch the news, it's easy to claim it's being ignored.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Good points from Mr. Ski about both the response of the Tories and the news coverage. I look forward to the unfolding U75 discussion about the poverty and alienation amongst working class loyalist and republican youth, the abysmal failure of the Good Friday agreement to address those issues and the existential dead ends that their political class are intent on driving a new generation down into. A slow motion tragedy.
I’m sure everyone agrees that’s a more substantive and important discussion than those attempting to use these events play their anti-Brexit tune....
I’m sure everyone agrees that’s a more substantive and important discussion than those attempting to use these events play their anti-Brexit tune....
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
I watched BBC six o'clock news yesterday & it got about 30 seconds. It was the lead story today. Hence why I said the BBC finally gave it more than 30 seconds.The BBC News channel has been covering it for days, as has Sky News, in fact it was the main story on the main BBC 6 o'clock news today, taking up about 20-25% of the bulletin.
But, I guess if people don't actually watch the news, it's easy to claim it's being ignored.
editor
hiraethified
Brexit is the driving force behind this awful violence and any discussion has to involve the catastrophic mess it has created, even if it is a little awkward for Brexiteers.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I agree, but mainly for Johnson and his cabinet who've driven the whole process rather than people who actually voted for Brexit.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
There was a much bigger story to cover on the BBC six o'clock news yesterday, concerning the AZ vaccine, so limited time for other news, inc. NI.
That doesn't alter the fact they have been giving NI ever increasing coverage on the news channel, as it has clearly developed into a bigger story. rather than just one of those fairly regular little blow-ups that have a habit of bubbling up from time to time in NI.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
The point is that a lot of remainers commented at the time that brexit would fuck up the 20+ years of peace and were told it was project fear. A lot of brexiteers said they knew exactly what they were voting for so surely should own it. Certainly the tories who pushed such a shit deal through. Johnson & Gove careers should be finished. Won't hold my breath though.
editor
hiraethified
So people who voted for Brexit actually thought that Johnson would have the ability to sort out the whole border issue?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I doubt many of the people voting in the referendum gave the Good Friday Agreement a second's thought. Martin McGuinness warned that Brexit would fuck up the GFA in the months before the vote, but he wasn't widely heard.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The driving force behind these events is Loyalism’s default setting: the paranoia that Westminster is ready to abandon its interests. Whether it’s flags, the PSNI, Brexit, Bobby Storey’s funeral, marches or myriad other issues that’s the propulsive force. Add in a year of young people being locked down and losing the little economic status they might have had and you’ve got all of the necessary ingredients. The concept that this is a Brexit riot is, frankly, shite
gosub
~#
You'd hope. But old enough to remember
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
If that level of violence had been in say Manchester it would have been a much bigger story. It comes across to me that the BBC does not like to slag off Johnson & hence the lack of coverage until it could not be ignored any longer. It is Johnson's lies to the people of NI that is the partial trigger to this.
gosub
~#
It was one of the reasons EFTA type leaving made more sense.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
no one was talking about northern ireland because you couldn't get a word in over the sect of remain voters screaming RACIST at everyone on twitter
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The attempt to airbrush the genuine spark for riots: the refusal to prosecute the Shinners over Bobby Storey’s funeral and the PSNI crackdown on loyalist OCG’s is abysmal. But the disingenuous attempts by remain to dismiss the genuine grievances - and both the paranoia and the historical privilege of loyalism - that lie behind all of these types of riot by Loyalist communities are not even worth engaging with.
editor
hiraethified
Not sure anyone has called it a 'Brexit riot' but are you really asserting that the current shitty violence has got absolutely nothing to do with Brexit?
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Whataboutery at its finest.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I haven’t said anything remotely like that. Brexit - like 1 million other things - feeds into the Loyalist mindset in a specific and historically and politically constructed way. But, and let’s be honest here: the fact that this debate is in one of the myriad remain nostalgia threads on here speaks volumes about how it’s being spun....
gosub
~#
It wouldn't have needed Brexit, people are bored and frustrated with enough other circumstances. But not saying Brexit is n't a factor
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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