Brogdale has long adopted the quizzical/clarificatory/it's all neoliberalsim approach in a doomed attempt to camouflage his frothing Planet Remain position
I'm not convinced by this at all. Some brexit/"lexit" supporters on here have been consistent in pointing out the similarity of the neoliberal attack on workers' rights whether they live in a supra state member state or not. AFAICS most of the "lexit" arguments appear to revolve around the potential offered for democratic socialist reforms, not that the withdrawal would immediately, in and of itself, result in any improvement in workers rights. So I really don't see why they wouldn't agree with the proposition that the neoliberal nature of the base affects and determines all workers.You seem a little reluctant to say whether you actually think that yourself
Since lexit supporters obviously wouldn't agree it makes no difference whether we're in the EU or not I think this little argument has proably reached a dead end though (hard to believe on this thread I know).
The troubling consequences of an excessive diet of Wolfgang StreeckBrogdale has long adopted the quizzical/clarificatory/it's all neoliberalism approach in a doomed attempt to camouflage his frothing Planet Remain position
Well even in this paragraph you've already effectively conceded that it doesn't amount to the same. Only by reducing the whole debate to its most superficial and narrow form does your argument even begin to make any sense.
magazine.unison.org.uk
What’s the collective noun for cunts?Lol, remain and leave capital to the rescue in the national interest...
Revealed: secret cross-party summit held to confront failings of Brexit
Leading Brexiters and remainers, including Michael Gove and David Lammy, met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaderswww.theguardian.com
A parliament
Close but no cigar.It's all over, "Brexit is dead. The only thing left to do is the political equivalent of disposing of the body", according to the telegraph.
Brexit is finally dead – and the Tory party will soon suffer the same…
article reckons there'll be another vote in 5-7 years and says its very sad but the UK might still rescue itself by finding other ways to 'incentivise entrepreneurs to cut costs' which was the point all along.
I don’t think another referendum’s coming anything like as soon as that article reckons. Wouldn’t be surprised if we get one on the death penalty first.
I definitely wouldn't want to downplay the severity of what is (and will be) being attempted and didn't word my post well in that respect, especially as I was originally posting in agreement about attacks on workers right taking place. Undoubtedly many within the ruling class see an opportunity to roll back protections although the more radical wing seems to be on the back foot now and likely to lose out. I would still disagree on how to weigh it up in context with the sustained attacks on labour that have already taken place and are continuing, or with what was permitted already under EU rules but don't want to appear too nitpicking when I imagine we both largely agree on the substance of it and on the importance of the situation we're facing. The good thing is at least it has been met with an escalation from our side, and the nature of this bill is an illustration that it's not settled yet.The workers’ protections set to be thrown on the Brexit bonfire - Magazine
With its Retained EU Law Bill, the government intends to rip workers' protections out of the UK law books. Find out what this means, and what you can do to stop it
From January 2023 - union lawyers presumably know what they are talking about:
"UNISON members and the union’s legal team are horrified at what the removal of these laws, and the principles of EU law, will mean for workers. Many legal improvements to workers’ rights in the UK, including UNISON’s recent Supreme Court victory that won new holiday rights for part-time workers, are reliant on the courts’ interpretations of EU law, and could be lost.
Without the shield of EU law, workers in the UK will be exposed to an Americanised, hire-and-fire culture that makes work more insecure and dangerous. The government’s decision to deliberately smash up decades of settled legal principles and case law will leave UK workers in an employment law wasteland.
Here are just five examples of the many workers’ protections that will disappear within a year, unless the government actively chooses to keep them...."
(they do still have a massive majority in parliament)
same thing really
yes broadly on the same page but i find it much easier to say that The Brexit Agenda that was actually on the powerbrokers table is one of deregulation and lowering of standards a la Britannia Unchained, and that to me clearly IS a more concentrated attack than what was happening up that point. The extent to which this is succeeding or failing is playing out right now and hard to judge yet. The Bonfire Bill will be a massive moment in that fight.
I'm not too familiar with the various factions of the Conservative Party I've got to admit so can't offer too much of an argument either way. And I'm also not exactly sure what you mean by the powerbrokers table - do you mean the withdrawal agreement itself or the governments overseeing it (or something else)?
yes its true there isn't a unified conservative position - boris two articles johnson is the living embodiment of that, however its clearer than it first seems i think. IMO the options are:
This seems like a pretty reasonable summary to me, although a big question would be what the composition around those positions looks like. In the third case you could approach that both from the slash and burn IEA direction or from what you could maybe call a more conservative nationalist UKIP-ish direction (I don't think that's quite an accurate description of the divide but you know what I mean).
I can't see us rejoining on that sort of timescale, the UK and especially it's ruling political elite is going to have to eat far too much humble pie for it to be palatable. 15-20 years maybe.It's all over, "Brexit is dead. The only thing left to do is the political equivalent of disposing of the body", according to the telegraph.
Brexit is finally dead – and the Tory party will soon suffer the same…
article reckons there'll be another vote in 5-7 years and says its very sad but the UK might still rescue itself by finding other ways to 'incentivise entrepreneurs to cut costs' which was the point all along.
It's the brex/lexit supporters on here that seem keen to point out that attacks on workers' rights are similar whether in or outside the EU, not just me.
It's not a very big surprise left wing leave voters would point out anti labour politics of the EU, this clearly doesn't equal thinking it makes no difference either way which if you remember was what you claimed to begin with, maybe you're no longer arguing that to be honest I'm not sure what you're arguing at this point... And since neither of us are lexiters I don't know why you're so determined to hide behind what they think.
I really don't think I have hidden my views or hidden behind those of others. I appreciate that you don't agree with or see any value in my analysis that brexit is essentially a meaningless distraction from the real battle of forces in neoliberalism. I've consistently argued that what was presented to the UK electorate in 2016 was merely a choice between 2 alternative visions of how to progress the neoliberal agenda. That some on 'the left' saw one of those alternatives as a means to achieving socialism in one country has constantly interested me.
