The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
If only the rejoiners would believe, and say 'I do believe in rejoining " three times before their bed time coco they would have the promised rejoin utopia by Thursday,
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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philosophical
Well-Known Member
I can’t see rejoining in the circumstances we had before ever happening.
What I would prefer to see the leave voters sorting out all the problems they deliberately ushered in, starting with the issue of the land border between the EU and the UK.
Lexiters who want to retrofit a justification that they voted for a United Ireland, so the border problem they voted in is not their problem are, in my opinion, disingenuous cunts.
What I would prefer to see the leave voters sorting out all the problems they deliberately ushered in, starting with the issue of the land border between the EU and the UK.
Lexiters who want to retrofit a justification that they voted for a United Ireland, so the border problem they voted in is not their problem are, in my opinion, disingenuous cunts.
ska invita
back on the other side
yes absolutely true
the best meeting i took part in pre-referendum broadly concluded exit yes, but not now like this
but if this was the only opportunity then i can see the logic of going along with it whatever
but that requires the realism to recognise the choice was for the long term latent socialist potential at the price of the more certain immediate immiseration, deregulation, points based immigration etc etc
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
in the long term we're all dead
--keynes
gosub
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It doesnt. Links on EU inflation problems start to kick in and it turns into a panetone
Pan EU trade unions being illegal somewhat limited 'latent socialist potential'
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Brexit hit UK investment by £29bn, says Bank of England policymaker
Jonathan Haskel says leaving the EU has caused a "productivity penalty" of £1,000 per household.
www.bbc.co.uk
Brexit has dealt the UK economy a "productivity penalty" of £29bn, or £1,000 per household, a Bank of England policymaker has said.
bimble
floofy
Endlessly banging on like it’s still early 2016 and ignoring as much as possible anything about the brexit impacts that are actually unfolding seems to be the happy place for leavers on here. Apart from that good news about mackerel a couple of weeks ago. It’s quite weird but it’s also exactly the same as what the get brexit done government are doing so, understandable.
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gosub
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Funny that cos all I see on this thread is acknowledgment from leavers brexit has had an impact and complete non acceptance of other factors from remainers. Agree though HMG official policy seems the denial you outline
bimble
floofy
Seriously? Look at what happened when the issue of the expected imminent impact on workers rights was raised a little while back. nothing, just tumbleweed and then a post about mackerel.
The rejoiners are enemies of progress and must be dealt with accordingly
gosub
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There's was the future once but it hasn't been for quite sometime AND as they are, having failed to get past 2016 ill prepared for any future referendum should it be called. That said . That said EU itself isn't much better the underlying problems are still the underlying problems 7 years have passed without reform at addressing them. But that's their problem , we have ours Thems that blindly parroting rejoin EU a solution are one of many.
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Raheem
Well-Known Member
And in the short term we're all fucked.
I don't think anyone would or has denied that workers rights are under attack but there's not really much scope for discussion here outside the neverending silly argument is there, likewise I think it was Colin Hunt who made just about the only substantial posts on this thread going into detail about the anti labour policies of the EU and got no response.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
tbf, when presented with arguments that things are no different for workers within or without the supra state, some of us on here have questioned what all the fuss was about, then?
bimble
floofy
Nobody would deny that workers rights are under attack in general sure but to a new and much increased degree as a direct result of brexit I mean: Nobody would deny that?
(not some other imaginary brexit i mean the actual one we are having).
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I'd agree brexit represents an opportunity to attack workers rights in some particular ways, I would disagree that it's new or to a much increased degree yes.
You're the one with over 700 posts on the thread you tell me what the fuss is
To be honest I wasn't aware of anyone having made an argument there's no difference although if that is what you think then I suppose congratulations are due for finding the weirdist position on a very weird thread
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
2nd anniversary of this thread in two weeks. What are we going to do mark the occasion? Perhaps some a small collection of posts as commemorative highlights or a mosaic/wordmap of sources used for quotes?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You're the one with over 700 posts on the thread you tell me what the fuss is
To be honest I wasn't aware of anyone having made an argument there's no difference although if that is what you think then I suppose congratulations are due for finding the weirdist position on a very weird thread
tbh, I don't think it's at all weird to regard the tory plebiscite as a choice between 2 alternative means of accelerating neoliberal, supply-side reforms.
OK so to be clear your view is it makes no difference to workers which of those choices it is. Presumably it made no difference joining the EU/common market in the first place, none of its policies had any effect and neither did its technocratic depoliticisation of many of these issues, and with the vote to leave there's no difference still whether its in not being subject to current EU rules, or the repeal of EU derived legislation, or opportunities for further attacks on workers along those lines, for example.
tbh, I don't think it's at all weird to regard the tory plebiscite as a choice between 2 alternative means of accelerating neoliberal, supply-side reforms.
Now of course there's legitimate reasons for not taking part in the referendum and there may be a solid argument that workers are not best served by being invested in the outcome either way, but to claim it makes no difference at all seems... bizarre. What on earth have you been posting about all this time!?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Latterly, quite a few of my posts have been in response to pro-brexit ("lexit") posters pointing out that whatever negative impact on workers' rights/conditions raised by the remain/rejoin minded posters is matched or already exists within the supra state. They appear to be making my argument for me.
You seem a little reluctant to say whether you actually think that yourself
Since lexit supporters obviously wouldn't agree it makes no difference whether we're in the EU or not I think this little argument has proably reached a dead end though (hard to believe on this thread I know).
Last in!
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
The arrogance of this. At least Planet Remain exists. Planet Lexit doesn't.
I'm afraid sleaterkinney has ruined it and now we've all been cursed to go on arguing on this thread for another 2 years
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You seem a little reluctant to say whether you actually think that yourself
Brogdale has long adopted the quizzical/clarificatory/it's all neoliberalism approach in a doomed attempt to camouflage his frothing Planet Remain position
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