ska invita
back on the other side
it was said a lot on here too
i remember well the argument going "but it'll open an attack on our rights / living standards etc"
to which the answer was "we'll fight back like we always have done"
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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i remember well the argument going "but it'll open an attack on our rights / living standards etc"
to which the answer was "we'll fight back like we always have done"
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Has the most recent anti union legislation and any potential threats in the 'Brexit bonfire' been met by a trade union campaign to rejoin the EU ?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Attacks on rights have been a hardy perennial under both Labour and tory governments within and without the eu eg public order act 1986, criminal justice act 1994, terrorism act 2000 etc. And my living standard has been under attack since 2009, with no above inflation pay rise in the past 13 years
ska invita
back on the other side
Yes I know, pretty much the same for me too, my post was about what was said before the referendum, namely an acknowledgement that it will create its own set of attacks on rights and standards but that was a fight worth having as part of the bigger fight
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Exactly; the neoliberal base remains entirely unaffected whether or not our polity has membership of the EU.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
presumably the poster was referring to this
....very much to do with Brexit
UK’s Rishi Sunak stands by plan for post-Brexit bonfire of EU laws
Retained EU Law Bill aims to scrub EU-derived laws still in force in the UK by end of the year.www.politico.eu
I hope they weren't referring to that as its completely separate and has absolutely nothing to do with the attack on the right to strike. The legislation attacking the right to strike has already been laid. The proposals you've linked to have not yet been. If you are going to fight an attack on basic human rights it helps to start in the right place.... and not try to dissemble.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's not its own set of attacks, it's not a change or discontinuity, it is a continuation of what went before in terms of attacks on rights and living standards. If there'd been an 80/20 vote to remain in the EU in 2016 it would have made no difference, attacks on rights and living standards would have continued.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It would be very odd if it had: given that the recent anti union legislation lifts wholesale some of the anti strike laws in countries like Spain and France, countries very much in the paradise of the EU. But in the post modern world of planet remain anything is possible I guess...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Just for info as last time I mentioned Portugal I had remainer posters saying 'how dare you compare the UK with Portugal etc' .
I was talking to a Portuguese teacher ( actually she teaches history ) last night who is involved in strike action over here . They are doing one day strikes by region for 18 days . The government ( Socialist Party) has said that there has to be minimum staffing levels. Its going to be contested in court
I was talking to a Portuguese teacher ( actually she teaches history ) last night who is involved in strike action over here . They are doing one day strikes by region for 18 days . The government ( Socialist Party) has said that there has to be minimum staffing levels. Its going to be contested in court
Raheem
Well-Known Member
My understanding if that that's a misleading argument advanced by the government. Other EU countries do have legislation regarding the continuation of public services during strikes, but none of those are a model for the UK legislation. Having minimum service levels during strikes is already normal in the UK, but other European countries have formalised processes for those to be negotiated. The key features of the UK legislation - that minimum service levels will be specified and imposed by the government and that employers will serve notices prohibiting workers from striking - are not things I believe happen anywhere else in Europe.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
See post above by Steps. But the salient point is that the legislation is a) nothing to do with the article linked to the proposed 'bonfire of EU red tape' and b) our membership or otherwise of the EU is not relevant to the legislation.
On your actual point there is a thread on here about it covering some of the points you raise. The attack here in some sectors also proposes negotiated minimum staffing levels and these already exist in some sectors.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I've seen that. As, you might guess, I don't follow Portuguese news very closely. I can well imagine that it is possible for the Portuguese government to call a strike into question or even stop it going ahead by claiming proper procedure hasn't been followed. But that would not be similar to what is happening in the UK.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I don't expect you to follow Portuguese news so not having a go at you for that. However, its nothing to do with not having followed proper procedures. It's actually a widening of the net on encroaching on the right to strike. It's about trying to weaken the strike rather than negotiate a reasonable deal. There is already legislation for minimum staffing during strikes that has been used ie the recent railway's strikes here, which when introduced was opposed by the trade unions but imposed.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So, it makes no difference whether workers find themselves in or out of the supra state?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
brexit the only thing people can be for whilst saying it has changed nothing
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Nope according to some on here even the restrictions on the right to strike have been introduced in a softer more gentler way in the EU
ska invita
back on the other side
Thread needs a pick me up
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
But at the same time according to planet remain dwellers the law is only being introduced here because we've left the EU as part of a 'bonfire' of socialist EU legislation.
The contortions of project fear.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Would there be a way to disable the NPCs that spawn on this thread?
If the EU protects workers’ rights then what happened when the Tories implemented the Trade Union Act 2016 when we were still a member state?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Is that an Elon Muskism or an Andrew Tatism? Or is it both?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think that the two are linked, namely that the economic policy of the conservative party before 2016 is only differentiated from the economic policy of the conservative party after 2016 by a change of personnel, that the chancellors after the cameron administration have continued osborn's economically illiterate and ideology driven policies in their main thrust even if not in every particular
Raheem
Well-Known Member
If I remember rightly, we all recognised that it didn't go nearly far enough and that there was a pressing need to take back control.
So you agree that they didn’t, in fact, protect our rights?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Seems to me that such restrictions are being introduced in EU member states and non-EU member states.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Certain workers' rights are determined by the EU, and it protects those rights. That leaves governments with a lot of scope to grant or deny other rights.
I think that, within the next 18 months or so, certain rights that were previously protected by the EU are likely to be removed, watered-down or threatened by the UK government. Who can say for sure, but I think it's likely. That might include, among other things, working time, redundancy, any industry-specific rights, agency workers' rights.
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