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A thank you to Brexiteers.

just a random claim then

"Remainers wanted workers to have lower wages" take that


and the party that gave us brexit and got a mandate of "Get Brexit done" have more strikes that the 1970's


funny thing about most leavers now is its either we have to keep faith or its the government for not actioning the right brexit

you trusted the tory party you twats
 
waits for well it was the pig face fucker on the remain side

it was Ress, Gove , Bojo and 40 years of the tory right who wanted brexit

and are still running the country into the ground
 
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aye but the consequence are past him now the idea we could get a leftish brexiter government in and sort the issue



won't happen for at least a generation as anyone left will betray brexit value for a wide percentage of older voters

and they at least fucking vote.. lets keep going on about project fear

look at the fucking state of Starmer atm


10 further years at least of bullshit related to this
 
Ax^ said:
waits for well it was the pig face fucker on the remain side

it was Ress, Gove , Bojo and 40 years of the tory right who wanted brexit

and are still running the country into the ground
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Pig fuckers I'll swap Eurozone quorum for a couple of years immigration cap was in hindsight a reasonable measure of the capabilities of the lot of them to be fair
 
would of costed the uk it Eurozone veto

has leaving stopped immigration or just made labour shortages quite apparent

also don't see turkey joining the eu
 
Ax^ said:
aye but the consequence are past him now the idea we could get a leftish brexiter government in and sort the issue



won't happen for at least a generation as anyone left will betray brexit value for a wide percentage of older voters

and they at least fucking vote.. lets keep going on about project fear

look at the fucking state of Starmer atm


10 further years at least of bullshit related to this
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Read this yesterday
unherd.com

Labour is winning the Brexit revolution

The party can capitalise on Tory failure
unherd.com unherd.com

Felt about right
 
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we can hope but its still the labour party moving more centre Right to win over the election vote
which won't lead to were i'd like to be
 
Ax^ said:
would of costed the uk it Eurozone veto

has leaving stopped immigration or just made labour shortages quite apparent

also don't see turkey joining the eu
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Actually Cameron did claim he tried vetoing Eurozone after one meeting...they used a procedural workaround to nullify it this was after they'd already ignored Ham faces efforts to block Juncker..membership was not a bed of roses.


On Juncker, tbf as much as he was from a politic strand that had no affiliates in UK , wasn't that unreasonable during Brexit
 
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Smokeandsteam said:
For LeFT supporters the view was always that leaving opened up the possibility of economic growth through rebuilding and prioritising a national economy based on public ownership, investment in infrastructure via a national investment bank and via strengthened collective bargaining arrangements: all things within reach at the time of the vote, all things still within reach if the political will and organisation can be mustered to fight for it.
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Meanwhile the tories are using their get brexit done majority to remove the rights of workers to strike, and also removing EU law around equal pay etc. Like they were always going to do.
 
sleaterkinney said:
Meanwhile the tories are using their get brexit done majority to remove the rights of workers to strike, and also removing EU law around equal pay etc. Like they were always going to do.
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Christ. This is parallel universe stuff. You take an answer I’ve given to a completely different point to make an entirely different point.

By the way, the Tories and New Labour instituted the most restrictive anti union laws in Europe while we were members of the EU.

The attack on the right to strike is fuck all to do with Brexit or leaving the EU and equal pay in enshrined in UK law. Google Barbara Castle and the women Ford workers….
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Christ. This is parallel universe stuff. You take an answer I’ve given to a completely different point to make an entirely different point.

By the way, the Tories and New Labour instituted the most restrictive anti union laws in Europe while we were members of the EU.

The attack on the right to strike is fuck all to do with Brexit or leaving the EU and equal pay in enshrined in UK law. Google Barbara Castle and the women Ford workers….
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I'm sure, ordinarily, that most posters on here would expect trades unions to fight for the protection of terms and conditions as opposed to a neo-liberal superstate. But apparently not.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Christ. This is parallel universe stuff. You take an answer I’ve given to a completely different point to make an entirely different point.

By the way, the Tories and New Labour instituted the most restrictive anti union laws in Europe while we were members of the EU.

The attack on the right to strike is fuck all to do with Brexit or leaving the EU and equal pay in enshrined in UK law. Google Barbara Castle and the women Ford workers….
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They wouldn’t be in power without it, and this removal of protections is exactly what they had planned.
 
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Magnus McGinty said:
I'm sure, ordinarily, that most posters on here would expect trades unions to fight for the protection of terms and conditions as opposed to a neo-liberal superstate. But apparently not.
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I’m sure, ordinarily, most posters on here would expect brexiteers to slash terms and conditions given that’s what they said they would do - and not stand shoulder to shoulder with them.
 
Spymaster said:
In fairness it was only the summer of 2021 when people on this thread were posting pictures of empty supermarket shelves, screaming "BREXIT DONE IT, NOT COVID" and trying to convince us that there'd never be full supermarkets again.

They were wrong about pretty much everything.
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IIRC the government ended up lifting border restrictions 'temporarily' so as to keep things moving at the border as things did get a bit fucked, and they will (re)introduce them yet at some point. There are still Brexit issues that have yet to actually kick in as the Tories kick the can. May 2023 for new Dover regime I seem to remember, might be wrong on that

For example Ireland border looks like it may yet be resolved before next election, and that resolution will mean checks, checks that arent currently happening to keep the peace
Todays lead story in the FT Welcome to nginx!
 
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For example Ireland border looks like it may yet be resolved before next election, and that resolution will mean checks, checks that arent currently happening to keep the peace
Todays lead story in the FT Welcome to nginx!
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Checks on goods entering NI from the mainland of the UK which are destined to move on to the republic, no checks on goods destined to stay in NI.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
No. I don’t say that. I say “The IMF Report - on which your article is based - does indeed make clear that Britain’s economic growth would likely have been stronger had the country voted to remain but it also shows a) that Britain’s growth was mediocre before the vote and will continue to be mediocre for some time to come, and that b) between 2016 and 2024 Britain’s economy will have grown at almost exactly the same rate as Germany’s.”




For LeFT supporters the view was always that leaving opened up the possibility of economic growth through rebuilding and prioritising a national economy based on public ownership, investment in infrastructure via a national investment bank and via strengthened collective bargaining arrangements: all things within reach at the time of the vote, all things still within reach if the political will and organisation can be mustered to fight for it.



You’ll have to show where that’s been argued on our side.
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Cheers for the considered response Smokeandsteam

I think I sense that there is a consensus between the remainers, brexit supporters and non-aligned on here that leaving the supra state's trading arrangements has, in the immediate short-term following exit, worsened the already poor economic fundamentals of the UK economy. Whilst I admire the optimism of lexit supporters regarding the potential direction for post-brexit economic growth, I do vividly remember hearing brexit supporters (many of my own family) saying that some economic damage would be a price worth paying for 'taking back control'. I'm genuinely interested to hear that lexit supporters did not share such sentiments.
 
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