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kittyP said:
It is perfectly fine for someone to think of food as fuel for themselves, but saying it doesn't need to be delicious or enjoyed is ridiculous (I am not saying you said this). It is very sensory, the smell, the look, the feel, the taste, what is not to be enjoyed by good food.

Also, I personally think it is cultural and universal.
You don't have to eat out to enjoy food as a social experience, I love having a friend/friends over for food or even just cooking for badgers and me, but it's still socially bonding.

I am struggling to think of a culture that doesn't use food for bringing people together or as part of a social function.
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See,like mine i think that's a very personal viewpoint not a universal one.My point was liam made a personal statement and tried to use it as a coherent political stand point,but people lit on him for his personal view as opposed to him presenting it as some sort of way forward,which i agree is bollocks.At the risk of being slated for it, i'd say irish working class culture doesn't use food that much as a social gel,but of course there's historical etc reasons for that imo
 
bamalama said:
See,like mine i think that's a very personal viewpoint not a universal one.My point was liam made a personal statement and tried to use it as a coherent political stand point,but people lit on him for his personal view as opposed to him presenting it as some sort of way forward,which i agree is bollocks.At the risk of being slated for it, i'd say irish working class culture doesn't use food that much as a social gel,but of course there's historical etc reasons for that imo
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It seemed to me like he was saying that food didn't need to be delicious for everyone not just personally for him, which was why I picked up on it.

I would reckon even in Irish working class culture there are still people that use/used food as a social gel, just maybe less than some other places.
My family come from Irish working class culture and my nans always had people round the dinner table having a chat, even if it was just over tea and bread and jam. Admittedly that was in England but I don't think that had changed much for a long time.
 
kittyP said:
It seemed to me like he was saying that food didn't need to be delicious for everyone not just personally for him, which was why I picked up on it.

I would reckon even in Irish working class culture there are still people that use/used food as a social gel, just maybe less than some other places.
My family come from Irish working class culture and my nans always had people round the dinner table having a chat, even if it was just over tea and bread and jam. Admittedly that was in England but I don't think that had changed much for a long time.
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Aye, i agree with you here,but ,and i know it sounds nit picky but cups of tea is hospitality,you expect that.not a big sit down long cooked meal where everyone talks about their day,life etc we tend to do that in the pub,at work,or around the kitchen(not the dinner)table.
I think it has more to do with class and resources tbh,the only people who have ever sneered at me,and i mean proper sneering,for my attitude to food have been real middle class types,or wannabes.I'm not sayin that's what's goin on here but there is an element of multi millionaire jamie olivers attitude about it,when it happens in real life.I like food,i don't like to be starving although i've no objection to being a wee bit hungry,personally i'm used to it,i think it's a healthy way to be.Would i recommend it as a political action/stand,nope,would i see it as an effective way of challenging/fighting whats goin on with food poverty at the minute,fuck that...but it works for me.
Not my kids though who are growing and deserve better than we can always financially supply:mad:
 
Clair De Lune said:
"I met someone recently who had never seen an avocado, can you believe it?" *horsey laugh. Someone I know called Camilla said that. Figures.
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The first time I took the bus back from oxford I had an incredibly shithouse girl behind me braying about who had gone to what Uni and how the provincial ones are worthless etc. I was mentally cocking a shotgun for the entire journey. Saw her get off the bus and the cow was tidy as well, which just angered me more. Why do some people get to be rich AND pretty? I only get to be witty.
 
kittyP said:
I have just started cutting out myself a new pair of pants and a bra from sacking.
Why does underwear need to be comfortable, it's only there to hold you up/protect your clothes.
I found the sacking by the side of the road too so it's free. Take that you tory scum!
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Is anyone else mildly aroused by this post?
 
I

did

not

write

"Why does food need to be delicious?"

Which somewhat renders the pages of fanciful extrapolation and misrepresentative drivel that followed my post redundant.
 
does that mean you win the thread? I got some ready-sliced pink lady apple slices for 5p so I an winning. Not sure what
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Sorry, no. Why shouldn't food be delicious? You're sounding like a puritan now. No thanks. No thanks at all. It's fantastic that we can enjoy food, that it isn't just fuel.
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You remember 'treats' from when you were little? They were called treats to distinguish them from all the other day-to-day stuff that was a bit boring and did not merit being called a treat.

That was in the olden days before we were nearly all fat sugar-holics consuming far more calories than we need.

Puritan me bollix. Why should self-sovereignty be a puritanical concept?
 
LiamO said:
You remember 'treats' from when you were little? They were called treats to distinguish them from all the other day-to-day stuff that was a bit boring and did not merit being called a treat.

That was in the olden days before we were nearly all fat sugar-holics consuming far more calories than we need.

Puritan me bollix. Why should self-sovereignty be a puritanical concept?
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I do.

I was a kid. I thought olives were foul. I had a very unsophisticated palate.

If you're saying that many people eat too much of the wrong thing, I'm with you. But that's so far away from denying the glorious, sensuous pleasure that good food can give you.
 
Frances Lengel said:
Food isn't "just" or even mainly fuel, food's proper stuff that brings people together and that - What pleasure is greater than that when people like your slop? I think you're an ok guy Liam, but fuck knows where you're coming from here.
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I don't even know where to start with the quantum leap you have made here, Frances dear boy.

Where have I said people should not enjoy food? Where have I indicated or even hinted that I think consuming food should be a solitary, souless experience.

Everything in our house revolves around the kitchen table - eating, conversing, having the craic, drinking, playing music. The breaking of bread with friends - and the kids friends - is a huge part of our lives.

That does not alter the fact that the vast majority of food consumed is just day-to-day grub... fuel basically.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I do.

I was a kid. I thought olives were foul. I had a very unsophisticated palate.

If you're saying that many people eat too much of the wrong thing, I'm with you. But that's so far away from denying the glorious, sensuous pleasure that good food can give you.
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would it be such a glorious sensuous pleasure if you had it for every meal?

And it's not that I am saying 'people eat too much of the wrong thing'... that is more than a bit preachy (which is exactly what some posters have accused me of).

I am saying (I think) as I outlined in the OP that the mindset we currently have towards food is problematic... that we might explore other ones... and that choosing to change your diet (which is empowering)... as opposed to feeling you are having dietary changes foisted upon you (which is disempowering and indeed humiliating for many)... are two very different things.
 
LiamO said:
would it be such a glorious sensuous pleasure if you had it for every meal?
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I'm willing to give it a go. :D

Seriously though, with fresh ingredients, really quite simple food can be a glorious sensuous pleasure. I'm not with Oliver at all, but it is true that people in Sicily generally eat very good food every day. Give me some of that, please. Why the fuck not?
 
LiamO said:
I don't even know where to start with the quantum leap you have made here, Frances dear boy.

Where have I said people should not enjoy food? Where have I indicated or even hinted that I think consuming food should be a solitary, souless experience.

Everything in our house revolves around the kitchen table - eating, conversing, having the craic, drinking, playing music. The breaking of bread with friends - and the kids friends - is a huge part of our lives.

That does not alter the facts that the vast majority of food consumed is just day-to-day grub... fuel basically.
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Banging. Nice one. That's as it should be.

But you are forgetting the bit where you said food shouldn't have to be delicious/nice or whatever c'mon, it fuckin does. Horrible scran, where's the need?
 
Clair De Lune said:
Just out on interest, what do you consider poverty food?
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You will note the '...' around the words 'poverty food' in my post, yes?

In this context I would consider 'poverty food' to be any food that when you eat it is because you have no food you would prefer to eat instead.

That may be 3 days of tinned ravioli or of porridge for some and being down to the last pot of pate foie gras for others. Either way, it is a very subjective thing based on a) our emotional relationship with food and b) how subjectively (and childishly) oppressed we feel when we can't get the food we want.
 
LiamO said:
LiamO said:
You will note the '...' around the words 'poverty food' in my post, yes?

In this context I would consider 'poverty food' to be any food that when you eat it is because you have no food you would prefer to eat instead.

That may be 3 days of tinned ravioli or of porridge for some and being down to the last pot of pate foie gras for others. Either way, it is a very subjective thing based on a) our emotional relationship with food and b) how subjectively (and childishly) oppressed we feel when we can't get the food we want.
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(I'll get back to you on your substantive point . Just waiting for a gobshite to come along first. There will be one along soon.)
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HI ;)

So tell me LiamO, what do you consider to be poverty food?
 
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