A Girl Called Jack... time for action?

[N_igma]

you still in the convict colony? have you got voting rights yet? vote those cunts out and establish an aboriginal parliament. Come on, it is your duty

Yes still here but no voting rights I'm afraid. Ha it's actually a shame how marginalised aboriginal people still are here. They get such a rough ride from whitey it's unreal.

 

[Kizmet]

He's saying that this person has reclaimed the principles of eating as cheaply as possible as a way of life in much the same way as gay people reclaim the word "queer". And he is suggesting that this is a deeply political and subversive act.

At least I think that's what he is saying.

Also, I've just noticed that, viewed in conjunction with the Jamie Oliver thread, it puts an interesting question to opinions like this:

we live in a society where rich freaks think that people should have to feed themselves and their families on fuck all. Where this is normalised rather than being seen as being an outrageous barbarism predicated on the privilege of these people who are offering their advice.

Which is "what about when the advice comes from a poor person?"

Is it still "predicated on their privilege"

Of course it isn't. Which makes it suddenly an issue of not whether the advice itself is good or not but about the person giving the advice.

Liam has made a trap for hypocrites. I don't know if he planned to do this or it is just a "happy" accident.

 

[DotCommunist]

you used to be alright, now every word you type drips with slime. I feel fucking ill reading you.

 

[LiamO]

I totally left myself wide for that one

that's how I spotted them

 

[barney_pig]

I clicked across to look at the link. The recipes looked immediately familiar, though the names and precise details are different these are the sort of meals my family have been living on for decades, when times have been tight.
Whether it is tuna surprise (tin of value tuna, tin of value tomatoes, onion, value pasta) or paupers pie (potato and cheese wrapped in pastry) or simply infinite variations of beans on toast/ pitta etc. this is the food we have been forced to eat.
And you know what, as soon as we get that little bit better off, we stop eating it, and buy something better.
This food is the stuff you eat when you have no other fucking choice, to do so by choice is to indulge in a little poverty tourism, and nobody likes a tourist.

 

[kittyP]

Also, I've just noticed that, viewed in conjunction with the Jamie Oliver thread, it puts an interesting question to opinions like this:

Which is "what about when the advice comes from a poor person?"

Is it still "predicated on their privilege"

Of course it isn't. Which makes it suddenly an issue of not whether the advice itself is good or not but about the person giving the advice.

Liam has made a trap for hypocrites. I don't know if he planned to do this or it is just a "happy" accident.

Imho, it's got nowt to do with hypocrisy.
Things may mean different things when they come from different people.
If a rich person says X it may have a different background, reasoning, ideology, ethics etc than when a poor person says it.

So, in example, if a rich person says, "eat less, eat less processed food, cook with left overs etc all on 10 a week for a family" it comes from a position of privilege and maybe therefore and lack of realistic understanding and empathy.
If a poor person says the same thing, it may be coming from a puritanical position.
Just because you disagree with one doesn't mean you have to agree with the other, and vice versa.

 

[redsquirrel]

Yes still here but no voting rights I'm afraid. Ha it's actually a shame how marginalised aboriginal people still are here. They get such a rough ride from whitey it's unreal.

Another U75 Aussie immigrant , bloody loads of us these days.

 

[Kizmet]

you used to be alright, now every word you type drips with slime. I feel fucking ill reading you.

And you used to be a smart kid with bags of potential and desire to actually do something about the shit you complain about.

Not just sit around most of every day finding increasingly graphic ways to complain about everything and everybody who does something about it.

I used to be ok to you because you used to be ok. Its you who has changed. Its the company you okeep.

Slag me off as much as you like.. you know that I will only see that as a defence mechanism. In the end ask yourself this... is what you are now what you wanted to be 5 years ago?

I tend not to speak to you anymore... except when you slag me off... and that's because I actually like you and still think you have bags of potential... but it pains me to see how you use it.

Ignore this and call me a cunt or take it on board. Its up to you. Either is fine by me. But lets not disrupt this thread with this anymore.

 

[killer b]

home truths. best take 'em onboard dotty.

 

[N_igma]

Another U75 Aussie immigrant , bloody loads of us these days.

Where are you dude?

 

[redsquirrel]

Where are you dude?

Moved to Geelong from Perth at the beginning of the year.

 

[Kizmet]

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Edit. Nah, not worth it.

 

[killer b]

razor sharp. ouch.

 

[N_igma]

Moved to Geelong from Perth at the beginning of the year.

Ah right I'm in Perth now it's where it's at these days. Probably head East at some stage though.

 

[Kizmet]

Imho, it's got nowt to do with hypocrisy.
Things may mean different things when they come from different people.
If a rich person says X it may have a different background, reasoning, ideology, ethics etc than when a poor person says it.

So, in example, if a rich person says, "eat less, eat less processed food, cook with left overs etc all on 10 a week for a family" it comes from a position of privilege and maybe therefore and lack of realistic understanding and empathy.
If a poor person says the same thing, it may be coming from a puritanical position.
Just because you disagree with one doesn't mean you have to agree with the other, and vice versa.

If its the same advice... good or bad... how does it make a difference who said it?

What if you didn't know who said it... does that change the advice? No, of course not. So therefore it doesn't and shouldn't matter who says it.

In football they have a saying "play the ball, not the man". This is so no-one gets hurt and the game can flow. Its much the same in debate, I think.

 

[Santino]

And you used to be a smart kid with bags of potential and desire to actually do something about the shit you complain about.

Not just sit around most of every day finding increasingly graphic ways to complain about everything and everybody who does something about it.

I used to be ok to you because you used to be ok. Its you who has changed. Its the company you okeep.

Slag me off as much as you like.. you know that I will only see that as a defence mechanism. In the end ask yourself this... is what you are now what you wanted to be 5 years ago?

I tend not to speak to you anymore... except when you slag me off... and that's because I actually like you and still think you have bags of potential... but it pains me to see how you use it.

Ignore this and call me a cunt or take it on board. Its up to you. Either is fine by me. But lets not disrupt this thread with this anymore.

He finds your politics and your attitude to others distasteful, and you respond with personal abuse.

 

[Santino]

In football they have a saying "play the ball, not the man".

Too... much... irony...

 

[redsquirrel]

Ah right I'm in Perth now it's where it's at these days. Probably head East at some stage though.

Melbourne's a great city, especially if you like art/films/music etc. Sydney I'm not quite so keen on but the Opera House is amazing. Despite the fact that you see it all the time on TV/photos etc seeing it in person is something totally different. Not made it up to Qld yet. Adelaide has a beautiful cricket ground and is good for a long weekend holiday.

EDIT: The other place I love in Sydney is the observatory, you get a brilliant view of the city from there.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Kizmet's dad's a virgin.

 

[kittyP]

If its the same advice... good or bad... how does it make a difference who said it?

What if you didn't know who said it... does that change the advice? No, of course not. So therefore it doesn't and shouldn't matter who says it.

In football they have a saying "play the ball, not the man". This is so no-one gets hurt and the game can flow. Its much the same in debate, I think.

But this isn't bloody football or any game that flows, this is peoples lives.

It does matter (imo) who said it for the reasons I outlined above.

If you don't know who said it, then you don't know, but that doesn't change the effect of what it means when you do know.

ETA: And you use the word "advice", what can seem like advice from one person can seem like judgement or demanding from others.

 

[N_igma]

Melbourne's a great city, especially if you like art/films/music etc. Sydney I'm not quite so keen on but the Opera House is amazing. Despite the fact that you see it all the time on TV/photos etc seeing it in person is something totally different. Not made it up to Qld yet.

Yeh heading to Sydney next month for a holiday if I ever head East it'll be to Melbourne voted worlds most liveable city again

 

[Frances Lengel]

If its the same advice... good or bad... how does it make a difference who said it?

What if you didn't know who said it... does that change the advice? No, of course not. So therefore it doesn't and shouldn't matter who says it.

In football they have a saying "play the ball, not the man". This is so no-one gets hurt and the game can flow. Its much the same in debate, I think.

Debate's bullshit anyway - Someone's right and someone's wrong, whoever presents the best argument is of no relevance.

 

[kittyP]

Debate's bullshit anyway - Someone's right and someone's wrong, whoever presents the best argument is of no relevance.

Or they are both wrong as is often the case

 

[5t3IIa]

In football they have a saying "play the ball, not the man". This is so no-one gets hurt and the game can flow. Its much the same in debate, I think.

The saying is precisely the opposite. It refers to knowing your man and playing his strengths and weaknesses, fuck the actual ball. As Santino says;

 

[Kizmet]

He finds your politics and your attitude to others distasteful, and you respond with personal abuse.

The only people I dislike are the ones who jump into arguments uninvited to "stand up for their mates" but really only to have a dig of their own.

And ooh look. That's you that is.

 

[Kizmet]

The saying is precisely the opposite. It refers to knowing your man and playing his strengths and weaknesses, fuck the actual ball. As Santino says;

And that's why this happens.

 

[kittyP]

The saying is precisely the opposite. It refers to knowing your man and playing his strengths and weaknesses, fuck the actual ball. As Santino says;

I don't get the picture reference...

 

[5t3IIa]

I don't get the picture reference...

Irony/ironing Sorry

 

[killer b]

delicious ironing.

 

[kittyP]

Irony/ironing Sorry

No, twas me being thick