9/11 military tapes released - Pentagon lied to the 9/11 commission

[editor]

You won't a rebuttal of anything Steve Jones has written in there.

Frankly who - apart from conspiraloons desperately scrabbling around for someone, somewhere, anywhere to give them hope for their daft theories - gives a shit about what Steve Jones thinks? He's not exactly a world authority on the topic is he?

Here's a great site for you: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

 

[Techno303]

The popular mechanics article is a 'straw man', selecting weak arguments to knock down.

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[squeegee]

Frankly who - apart from conspiraloons desperately scrabbling around for someone, somewhere, anywhere to give them hope for their daft theories - gives a shit about what Steve Jones thinks? He's not exactly a world authority on the topic is he?

Here's a great site for you: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

Now I know you're losing it Ed. This website is like those sad responses by neo-cons to fahrenheit 911. Only read the pentagon section which claims to debunk theory but just engages in the same kind of smaminess and deceit so typical of those who can't argue a reasoned case. A whole ream of responses. But I didn't see any solid evidence debunking any of the claims. Funny also there's no explanation on why the camera which was supposed to be pointing at the impact point (the petrol station one) had it's tapes removed.

But fuck it, the logical, reasoned theories can't be debunked, which is why the abuse, misdirection and utter deceitfulness of a website like the one you've posted, is absolutely necessary. The idea is that if you shout enough, people might be convinced.

Pity it hasn't worked...with me or with the majority of the people in the west who have actually looked into these things.

You guys are in a minority and it's perplexing what your reason is. I guess it has something to do with the kind of linear thinking which is very important on a solid material level, but is absolutely useless when dealing with irrational concepts. And guess what, irrationality is essential to the proper functioning of the brain. It could not function without it. To think only logically and rationally is a handicap.

Which is why all this evidence please bollocks. It's not just about evidence, though evidence is one facet of the truth.

How can you logically prove intent to commit murder? You can't. We are getting to a Philip K Dick kind of world where you will be punished for things you might do in the future.

When are you lot gonna wake up and see how you are defending the indefensible and allowing both the terrorists and the fantasists to hold sway.

No it is not lizards or secret cabals or any of that. But a plot that is far deeper and points to US/UK government involvement on some level whether rogue or otherwise.

And the link to the American academics' absolutely sound points has al;ready been posted by me, answered by none of the officialoons. What a surprise. Haven't even got the integrity to admit you've been beaten in this argument sondly ages ago. You have no logical response, preferring toget bogged down in what degree of heat is needed to melt steel blah blah.

Oh yeah, you engage in that circular argument...my expert says this and your expert is a nut kind of bollocks.

But answer the points on that list I posted if you can. Course you can't, which is why you'll avoid it.

And I know you won't admit you have nothing but abuse to offer, but it's hartd for me to resist dreaming of the day I can argue this with you in a real life public forum along with the Asraels and Jazzzs and Felas of this world, and whip anyone who dares to argue a case which ends up defending the government agendas.

"Leave it Squeegee, they're not worth it"

Goodnight suckers

 

[editor]

"Leave it Squeegee, they're not worth it"

Goodnight suckers

It's not me writing mile-long rants stuffed full of third-form, cod-psychological toytown 'analysis' signed off in the third person, chum.

Nutter.

 

[fela fan]

It's not me writing mile-long rants stuffed full of third-form, cod-psychological toytown 'analysis' signed off in the third person, chum.

Nutter.

Heh heh. Just what is the pressing need to abuse? Calling people fuckwits and nutters and the like seems to be an integral part of your debating.

Just why is this so? Do you ENJOY abusing people who don't say what you want them to say?

Incidentally, my reading of the current situation in the world is that the time is getting closer to when what really happened over those attacks on 911 is rapidly starting to unravel itself.

When it does it's going to be interesting to see how the likes of yourself, supreme denier of LIHOP or MIHOP, conduct yourselves on this forum.

Because the time is coming. With 50% of british people believing there's more to the recent terrorist scare in britain than what their government is telling them, and 20% downright disbelieving them, and seemingly a similar tale to tell in america, along with both populations shedding the fear they were being controlled by for the last five years, things are gonna start getting interesting. Once they start questioning current 'plots', they will start demanding more stuff on the granddaddy of them all, 911.

Incidentally i'd say you were in a minority of british people who believe the USG and relevant aurthorities engaged in massive incompetence of the most staggering kind.

 

[fela fan]

You guys are in a minority and it's perplexing what your reason is. I guess it has something to do with the kind of linear thinking which is very important on a solid material level, but is absolutely useless when dealing with irrational concepts. And guess what, irrationality is essential to the proper functioning of the brain. It could not function without it. To think only logically and rationally is a handicap.

Self-delusion to protect one's take on life (or it all comes crumbling down).
Ego.
Self-importance.
The need to abuse and humililate (a peculiarly anglo trait it seems to me).
Inability to listen.

Take your pick mate!

 

[editor]

When it does it's going to be interesting to see how the likes of yourself, supreme denier of LIHOP or MIHOP, conduct yourselves on this forum.

Cheers. More fascinating insights, as ever. Brilliant. Nice one.

 

[editor]

The need to abuse and humililate (a peculiarly anglo trait it seems to me).

Really? Be sure to back that one up - or maybe you're speaking from your own hands-on personal experience what with you being more 'anglo' than me.

 

[fela fan]

Really? Be sure to back that one up - or maybe you're speaking from your own hands-on personal experience what with you being more 'anglo' than me.

No, less anglo than you nowadays. Moving out of the anglo country gives one greater insights and awareness into anglo behaviour. And often it ain't pretty.

Certainly on a nation basis it's warlike and ugly and violent. And a nation often reflects the people, and vice versa, so that's a nice piece of evidence for you mate.

 

[fela fan]

Really? Be sure to back that one up - or maybe you're speaking from your own hands-on personal experience what with you being more 'anglo' than me.

Oh, and on that need for abuse and humiliation, just pick up any tabloid on any day and read.

Then tell me it ain't so.

 

[fela fan]

Cheers. More fascinating insights, as ever. Brilliant. Nice one.

Ah, this is better. Good to see you for once recognising intelligence and awareness when it strikes you.

Kudos man.

 

[editor]

No, less anglo than you nowadays. Moving out of the anglo country gives one greater insights and awareness into anglo behaviour. And often it ain't pretty.

No, you're still more anglo than me, no matter how much patronising, clueless bullshit you spew out on the subject.

Mate.

 

[fela fan]

No, you're still more anglo than me, no matter how much patronising, clueless bullshit you spew out on the subject.

Mate.

Nope, it's impossible. You live there day in day out. I've only lived there for nine years of my adult life, and a lot longer than that outside of any anglo country. The very factors that shape and influence people, such as culture and society and behavioural norms, completely changed for me when i moved to an opposite kind of country.

So, evidence there that i am much less anglo than your good self.

 

[editor]

So, evidence there that i am much less anglo than your good self.

Have you any inkling of how utterly preposterous you sound?


(comment removed).... no, don't bother answering that. You've dragged this (ahem) fascinating discussion far enough off topic tonight with your dreary nonsense.

 

[teqniq]

 

[editor]

Race you!
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/pants.html

 

[teqniq]

It doesn't work.

 

[Loki]

Yeah no worky in Firefox

 

[teqniq]

Yeah no worky in Firefox

Yeah no worky I''m using firefox too but I liked the intro; are there combat pants and pants with go faster stripes?

 

[fela fan]

Have you any inkling of how utterly preposterous you sound?


(comment removed).... no, don't bother answering that. You've dragged this (ahem) fascinating discussion far enough off topic tonight with your dreary nonsense.

You ever heard of context? And in any case i've told you about the mirrors, which you often quote, maybe it's time for you to find out more about them. Then you might understand a wee bit more mate.

Let me know when you'd like to understand more about how the mirrors work...

 

[kyser_soze]

So, evidence there that i am much less anglo than your good self.

Fela, Ed's a celt. Not an anglo. That's pretty common knowledge.

Or would that be classified as the kind of 'evidence' that you don't need.

And still you, Jazzz or Squegee have come up with an answer to my question about how you smuggle in upwards of a ton of explosives, place them accurately enough to achieve even a semi-controlled demolition AND wire them up to timers accurate enough to blow them all in the correct sequence, and all this installed while the building was occupied and blown while the building was on fire.

I mean I think that there's something seriously suss about the whole thing - I've never denied there wasn't. The difference is unlike you lot whole start from a conclusion (the govt did it) and work back to find evidence, I find it better, and believing as I do in habeus corpus, to start with the evidence and work toward a conclusion.

And all the evidence is at the moment is a pile of unanswered questions. This does not consitute proof - and I sincerely hope that neither you, Jazz, Squegee or any others are ever called to serve on a jury.

 

[Loki]

You ever heard of context? And in any case i've told you about the mirrors, which you often quote, maybe it's time for you to find out more about them. Then you might understand a wee bit more mate.

Let me know when you'd like to understand more about how the mirrors work...

I don't know about editor but I'd like to know how these "mirrors" and "perspective filters" you bang on about work, since they seem to give you an insight into "truth" denied to all others, anglo, celt or norse. Whatsitallaboutthen?

 

[Crispy]

Fela, Ed's a celt. Not an anglo. That's pretty common knowledge.

Or would that be classified as the kind of 'evidence' that you don't need.

And still you, Jazzz or Squegee have come up with an answer to my question about how you smuggle in upwards of a ton of explosives, place them accurately enough to achieve even a semi-controlled demolition AND wire them up to timers accurate enough to blow them all in the correct sequence, and all this installed while the building was occupied and blown while the building was on fire.

I mean I think that there's something seriously suss about the whole thing - I've never denied there wasn't. The difference is unlike you lot whole start from a conclusion (the govt did it) and work back to find evidence, I find it better, and believing as I do in habeus corpus, to start with the evidence and work toward a conclusion.

And all the evidence is at the moment is a pile of unanswered questions. This does not consitute proof - and I sincerely hope that neither you, Jazz, Squegee or any others are ever called to serve on a jury.

What he said - every word.

 

[detective-boy]

- and I sincerely hope that neither you, Jazz, Squegee or any others are ever called to serve on a jury.

Thinking back to some of the absolutely fucking bizarre decisions in cases I've had ... I think they already have!

 

[editor]

And in any case i've told you about the mirrors, which you often quote, maybe it's time for you to find out more about them. Then you might understand a wee bit more mate.

Let me know when you'd like to understand more about how the mirrors work...

Oh dear. This guy is a fucking nutcase. An anglo one at that.

 

[squeegee]

Yeah maybe editor's a celt, but he acts just like the english in that nasty attitude. no matter what the reason is, ed, you're just always angry "oh but i'm angry because..."

no you're just angry and unpleasant, and you can say third form or sixth form whatever. it's still wrong.

and kyser, can you show me where i said that the twin towers were demolished by explosives? I don't rule it out, but i'm not bogged down in the details.

it's the bigger picture, the government lies and willingness to treat civilians like scum, even to the extent of killing them for political decisions and strategic military advantage.

all of which editor, you probably agree with. but your sheer vulgarity and outright nastiness shows you to be in line with the very people you think you're against.

as i've said before, you think that this website gives you the right to be abusive when you feel provoked. and aANY questioning of the government seems to provoke you.

but you are smart enough to NEVER engage in debate with me. cos you know you can't win.

so you continue with your pathetic abuse.

fela's right about mirrors. funny how i heard someone who knows you at glade describe you as a nice guy who can be a bit pompous at times

funny how that's the word you have used to describe me (among many others)

do look in the mirror mr hooligan. yeah, now i can see why cardfiff city got the reputation as a bunch of thugs

or maybe they've just always been provoked to anger by conspiraloons spouting endless fact-free, evidence-untroubled bollocks

laters

 

[Lock&Light]

but you are smart enough to NEVER engage in debate with me. cos you know you can't win.

The Mother of all Delusions.

 

[kyser_soze]

Thing is squegee, none of us 'officialoons' has actually disagreed at any point that there are a large number of unanswered questions, and that the whole thing is more than a bit smelly.

Our point is that unlike you that doesn't equate to guilt - what it equates to is that there should be a proper investigation into what happened. What it equates to is that at the moment ALL YOU HAVE are questions - not evidence, questions. Questions that point to something dodgy - but suggestion is NOT proof, and your attitude of 'guilty until proven innocent' sucks - you wouldn't accept it if the govt repealed habeus corpus for individuals, so what suddenly makes it acceptable to do the same to people in government? Cos at the end of the day we aren't talking about some non-human 'thing' - government is made up of individual people, whom you are accusing of one of the most heinous, possibly THE most heinous crime of deception ever given the results that 9/11 had.

But you are happy to basically say that those people are guilty, that the task is to proove their innocence? No - your entire philosophical premise is fucked.

Unless of course you think that innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply.

 

[editor]

Yeah maybe editor's a celt, but he acts just like the english in that nasty attitude. no matter what the reason is, ed, you're just always angry "oh but i'm angry because..."

Now you're reduced to making up quotes. What a sad little liar you are.

do look in the mirror mr hooligan. yeah, now i can see why cardfiff city got the reputation as a bunch of thugs

So now you're accusing me of being a football hooligan. Oh dear.

I hope you can back that one up right now or you're out of here because I'm not having such defamatory shite posted up about me.

It's back up or fuck off time, squeegee!

 

[Lock&Light]

It's back up or fuck off time, squeegee!

I knew it was going to end in tears.