9/11 media happenings

[Jazzz]

You just made a direct link between the "bereaved widows" and the claims made in the video that the passengers were all in fact alive and well and working for the government. Why, exactly?

There is no connection. None of the widows believe that their loved ones are still living, so why did you infer that was the case? Please explain.

Oh, and do you think they're alive too, or would you agree with me that the bloke making the claims appears to be something of a deranged nutloop?

What video are you talking about and what bloke are you referring to?

 

[editor]

What video are you talking about and what bloke are you referring to?

I know research isn't your thing, but how about reading the thread and finding out which video me and pk were talking about?

It's really quite obvious.

 

[Crispy]

I believe we've reached stage c) of this argument. When the defendant runs out of 'evidence' and refuses to see the holes in their argument, the prosecuters get infuriated, the defendant gets infuriated, both sides walk away from the argument with a worse view of their opponent that when they started. How many times have we dug down to the bottom of this particular barrel? Did anybody really think we'd actually get somewhere? It's been fun and educating anyway

 

[editor]

Did anybody really think we'd actually get somewhere? It's been fun and educating anyway

I'd say that this has been by far one of the better 9/11 debates.

Jazzz's refusal to engage in trifling matters like how they actually managed to blow up two almighty buildings with invisible explosives has been quite revealing, as has the demolition of his other arguments with solid, properly sourced material.

And after seeing that video pk has just posted up, I've even more amazed that anyonhe could even begin to believe these lunatics.

The bloke who claims that all the passengers are still alive and well and working for the government really takes the fruit'n'nut biscuit, too.

 

[Crispy]

Oh yes, ther's no doubt about that - the layers have been peeled back to reveal very little substance indeed. Maybe I'm being too defeatist. But something tells me nothing, bar nothing will every convince Jazzz.

 

[Jazzz]

I know research isn't your thing, but how about reading the thread and finding out which video me and pk were talking about?

It's really quite obvious.

oh right I've got you. You say I'm making 'direct links' to statements made in videos, and then in the next breath you bemoan me for 'lack of research' because I clearly have said nothing that relates to that video at all! Great!

And you accuse me of arguing in a deceitful manner.

Well, you've answered your own question. If you were able to properly appreciate my comment for what it was, it was simply to point out that the drive for a proper investigation into 9/11 is coming from the families themselves, so the presumption is that pk, Urban75's very own macho-posturing fool, would happily lay into them.

 

[Jazzz]

I believe we've reached stage c) of this argument. When the defendant runs out of 'evidence' and refuses to see the holes in their argument, the prosecuters get infuriated, the defendant gets infuriated, both sides walk away from the argument with a worse view of their opponent that when they started. How many times have we dug down to the bottom of this particular barrel? Did anybody really think we'd actually get somewhere? It's been fun and educating anyway

I think you mean, when the star witness for the prosecution has turned out to be talking bullshit, the minions get very upset

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I think you mean, when the star witness for the prosecution has turned out to be talking bullshit, the minions get very upset

It's nice to see you admitting to your failings there Jazzz

Cos after all, there was no mention of thermal conduction in the NIST report.

 

[TheArchitect]

I think you mean, when the star witness for the prosecution has turned out to be talking bullshit, the minions get very upset

Let's take a poll then, Jazz. See who won.

 

[Crispy]

In the talking bullshit stakes, Jazzz, you have scored far higher. That much is obvious.

 

[detective-boy]

If you read the thread you would have found that TA found a few webpages with the 600% figure quoted. I didn't make a note of the one I found it on.

And you can't find it again?

Surely you remember enough about it to Google it out in a few moments (in between checking the plans for London's latest skyscrapers which are, no doubt, now clogging your letterbox as the world's architects and engineers flock to take advantage of your brilliance ...

 

[wee cough ed]

Is there an insufficiency of inquiry ?

After all one of the objectives of an inquest is to allay suspicion.

 

[editor]

Well, you've answered your own question. If you were able to properly appreciate my comment for what it was, it was simply to point out that the drive for a proper investigation into 9/11 is coming from the families themselves, so the presumption is that pk, Urban75's very own macho-posturing fool, would happily lay into them.

Do you believe that the passengers weren't on the planes that hit the WTC and the Pentagon, Jazzz?

 

[TheArchitect]

I think we have to bear in mind that Jazz has consistently failed to actually provide US with a full account of what HE thinks happened.

Wonder why this might be?

 

[Jazzz]

I think we have to bear in mind that Jazz has consistently failed to actually provide US with a full account of what HE thinks happened.

Wonder why this might be?

It's not up to me. That is the duty of a proper investigation. And it is what 9/11 victims' family members are calling for.

But to correct you, I have openly given my preferred theories many times. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there have been one or two 9/11 threads before you came along!

 

[editor]

It's not up to me. That is the duty of a proper investigation. And it is what 9/11 victims' family members are calling for.

I doubt very much if the vast majority of 9/11 families welcome or even want to hear the kind of insulting conspiraloon garbage that you've been posting up here for years.

But anyway, back to my question: Do you believe that the passengers were on the planes that hit the WTC and the Pentagon?

 

[TheArchitect]

It's not up to me. That is the duty of a proper investigation. And it is what 9/11 victims' family members are calling for.

Yeah, thats what 911 Truthers always say - "we're just asking questions". Anything to avoid actually having to tell us what they think, because then it will become obvious that their theories are little more than unfounded speculation.

Jazz, you are an intellectual fraud. You hold NIST to a standard which you yourself refuse to rise to. You misinterpret quotes. You misapply calculations (yield strength=tensile strength!). You make up figures like 600%. You claim theories without any substantiation (explosives).

I have been on a number of 911 sites, and to be honest you even the woowoos over at (say) Loose Change can string a better developed argument than you can.

Does it make you feel good, slandering and libelling people without any evidence?


And is there any chance that you might ever answer ed's questions instead of running away like a spoilt brat?

 

[pk]

Unfortunately Jazzz has entrenched himself in such a position he cannot dig himself out or backtrack, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to suggest the fairy tales he spews on these boards are just lies invented by anti-semitic people like Joe Vialls or David Icke or the American Free Press, who are simply trying to heap the blame on the Jews in order to start a race war, to suit their sick right wing agenda.

Jazzz will not even study evidence that goes against the conclusions he has reached - notwithstanding the fact that he has no idea about structural engineering, the science of combustion, or the tensile strength of steel.

It doesn't matter to Jazzz, because much like one of those fuckwitted Jehovah's Witnesses at your door, you could stand there and scream evidence to the contrary of their beliefs and he'd still be there smiling saying "Jesus will save you" or some shit.

He has been brainwashed, by kids in the USA having a laugh, who in turn have been paid by richer organisations to plant the seeds of anti-semiticism.

It's a bit like the Italian football hooligans, the Ultras of Roma in particular, hardly any of them give a fuck about politics but they are paid by the far right to unfurl banners saying things like "The Jews should have been finished off in the ovens". So they do it, they don't care if it pisses people off. They're too stupid to question anything properly, and their mates are all into it, so why would they want to stand against it?

Jazzz has the same mentality - he's been pushing this 9/11 bullshit for 5 years now, and frankly everyone on this site bar a few nutjobs think he's mentally a few keys short of a piano - but he will not listen to reason.

You can spend time and effort on researching and posting evidence to contradict the wank he likes to type, but all he'll do is ignore it all in favour of arguing with someone else who rightly calls him a cunt, then a page or two later he'll say "what evidence - I didn't read it, I didn't see the video".

Frankly I've spent enough time showing him clear evidence to utterly refute and destroy his claims, and I gave up about two years ago.

Now I just abuse the little cunt, I get more pleasure out of doing that than carefully picking apart his fragile evidence for it to be ignored or somehow made as invisible to his eyes as the holographic planes he claimed hit the WTC.

And if the Architect wants a real laugh - see what he has to say about vaccines - apparently, and I quote "vaccines cause more harm than the diseases they are supposed to prevent".

You can read all this shit here, in disbelief, but you will get nowhere, he doesn't listen to anyone but the voices in his head and the anti-semitic cunts he calls friends with their "evidence" that the Jews did it.

Don't waste too much time on the prick.

Oh and you watch - he'll jump up and down demanding I be banned for abusing him like this, but on the same page he'll suggest that 9/11 was a trick, we've all been fooled, all the passengers on those planes are alive and well and hiding from their families and loved ones on an airforce base.

Which is more offensive?

 

[editor]

Now I just abuse the little cunt,

There's really no need for that, you know.

 

[pk]

There's really no need for that, you know.

No, you just let him carry on posting here with his agenda-laden theories of how several hundred men women and children didn't really die, that it was all a myth, and this on a website that appears at number one on a Google search for "New York Photos".

Your site, your call.

But you know as well as I do - he hasn't stopped this bullshit in over five years and isn't about to stop soon, unfortunately due to the nature of internet archiving his pages of 9/11 crap will forever be associated with Urban75.

It's even in his tagline, for fucks sake.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=52526

Sorry but I treat him with the same contempt I'd treat a serial spammer or a die-hard Jehovah's Witness.

So would you in normal circumstances.

 

[editor]

But you know as well as I do - he hasn't stopped this bullshit in over five years and isn't about to stop soon, unfortunately due to the nature of internet archiving his pages of 9/11 crap will forever be associated with Urban75.

And forever associated with being laughed off urban75 too

 

[pk]

And forever associated with being laughed off urban75 too

But he's still here - posting the same shit!!

These threads in the last year alone:


"No Blood" at Oswald shooting claims photographer

August terror plot denounced as 'fiction'

Military insider reveals 9/11 stand-down!

Bush lets the truth slip?

9/11 military tapes released - Pentagon lied to the 9/11 commission

9/11 truth now being taught in US School!

Former CIA analyst - staged terror atrocities 'entirely possible'

New camera footage of Pentagon impact released!

The evidence for the official theory of 9/11 (including phone calls)

Questions about 9/11

Dick Cheney = main suspect for 9/11, says Bowman

CNN poll - 82% agree with Charlie Sheen that 9/11 is a government cover-up

Latest Bin Laden tape declared phoney (of course)

More distinguished dissenters call for 9-11 investigation

More witness testimonies on the collapse of the World Trade Centre

Weather manipulation by USG soon to become official policy

The Al-Qaeda Cell that never officially existed

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And every single one containing the same old bullshit.

 

[editor]

And every single one containing the same old bullshit.

And - I'd wager - every single one results in Jazz and his dodgy sources looking very stupid indeed!

 

[EddyBlack]

But he's still here - posting the same shit!!

These threads in the last year alone:


"No Blood" at Oswald shooting claims photographer

August terror plot denounced as 'fiction'

Military insider reveals 9/11 stand-down!

Bush lets the truth slip?

9/11 military tapes released - Pentagon lied to the 9/11 commission

9/11 truth now being taught in US School!

Former CIA analyst - staged terror atrocities 'entirely possible'

New camera footage of Pentagon impact released!

The evidence for the official theory of 9/11 (including phone calls)

Questions about 9/11

Dick Cheney = main suspect for 9/11, says Bowman

CNN poll - 82% agree with Charlie Sheen that 9/11 is a government cover-up

Latest Bin Laden tape declared phoney (of course)

More distinguished dissenters call for 9-11 investigation

More witness testimonies on the collapse of the World Trade Centre

Weather manipulation by USG soon to become official policy

The Al-Qaeda Cell that never officially existed

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And every single one containing the same old bullshit.

Your attack on Jazzz was despicable. You have always come across as a gobshite, and here is another example.

Your contempt bordering on hate of Jehova’s witnesses is particularly ironic in light of your concern about anti –semitism.

 

[MikeMcc]

Your attack on Jazzz was despicable. You have always come across as a gobshite, and here is another example.

Your contempt bordering on hate of Jehova’s witnesses is particularly ironic in light of your concern about anti –semitism.

Why, IMO, JWs are a bunch of fucking weirdos, you can lump in scientologists as well.

 

[TheArchitect]

I don't support the kind of language pk was using, however he's right about one thing. Jazz isn't interested in reason or analysis, because his belief in 911 is religious. It's an act of faith - he doesn't need no stinking facts or evidence.

[SIGH]

 

[Jazzz]

Ah, I see pk, having somehow been ignoring WP, has discovered this thread, and is attempting to make up for lost time by heaping all the abuse he would normally fit into 20 pages into a few posts.

Nice going!

Anyway, here's something I know you guys are going to JUST LOVE. I know I do!

And it's a measure of how far things have come. When I first posted about 9/11, maybe five years ago as pk says, it was just me and few others on the internet. And now people are producing songs like this

listen if you dare

 

[EddyBlack]

This must be the biggest thread ever. I've learnt a lot, and I expect others have too.

So why attack the thread that Jazzz has started PK?

 

[editor]

And it's a measure of how far things have come. When I first posted about 9/11, maybe five years ago as pk says, it was just me and few others on the internet. And now people are producing songs like this

listen if you dare

Bwahaha! What a total load of cock. Really. It's one of the funniest songs I've ever heard. Who the fuck are these clowns?

And if you're gauging 'progress' of your fact-free, answer-avoiding 'movement' by a laughably bad, cliche ridden MOR song being posted on the internet, I feel truly sorry for you.

Now will you answer my questions please? I've heard enough shit music.

 

[pk]

This must be the biggest thread ever. I've learnt a lot, and I expect others have too.

So why attack the thread that Jazzz has started PK?

You haven't been here more than 3 months, so you will have missed the countless threads where Jazzz avoids simple questions about his theories, just as he is doing now.

I have a question for you - how long have you been a member of the "Truth" Movement club?

I've learned something here, about the kid who made the "Loose Change" film, from the video link posted just above mine. That's some funny shit.

And I could call Jazzz whatever the fuck I wanted - none of it would be as offensive as the lies he pushes here, for example about victims of the 9/11 attacks being impersonated on the phone to their loved ones minutes before their deaths by mysterious black ops folk, or about Ian Huntley being innocent, or about vaccines causing more harm than the diseases they're designed to prevent.

So why bother trying to argue with him - he's just a brainwashed fool unwilling to entertain opposing ideas, never mind concede that he might be wrong as he always is.

Keep up the good work - see if you can be arsed in 5 years time when it's clear he's just going to believe what he wants to.