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I'm not at all sure it's accurate to speak of the far right being "in the ascendency". Certainly there are some worrying trends and dangers in the situation. But in Greece for example, although you have growth in the support for the far right, you had Syriza winning mass support in the first round.
 
The article doesn't say "in the ascendancy" - it says "in the ascendant" - very important difference in emphasis and meaning i think. The first meaning a position of dominance the second meaning on the rise, growing influence.

What other examples of the left having some measure of success and in what conditions can you offer us?
 
Maybe semantics but I would've thought that being "in the ascendant" would imply moving towards ascendency.

I'm not arguing that the left is in the ascendant everywhere, far from it. But (as often with IWCA stuff) they emphasise one factor to the marginalisation of others. Like the Netherlands for example - ok there has been a rise in right wing populism - but the Dutch socialist party seems to be growing in influence and support too. So, it's perfectly correct to talk about a space opening up that the left isn't inevitably going to fill. But to say the implication that the right is rampant and the left nowhere to be seen might be true in some cases, but it really isn't in others.
 
Are these few limited steps in small countries having the same effect on shifting mainstream public politics and debate, the starting assumptions of common sense, the underlying basis for how people conceive of what is politics in the same way the much larger steps forward the right are taking though? Are they looking likely to shift the overton window leftwards in any real way? Or is the French and UK model where the mainstream parties simply integrate far-right thinking into governmental policies with public support proving more widespread?

Because the point is not simply one about the abandonment of w/c interests by the mainstream parties, thus leaving a gap - it's also about their attempts to hold back the creation of that gap by adopting far-right positions, and the start point of those who want to fill that gap - if they're coming from a society where far-right ideas have been nornalised by being taken into mainstream discourse then what follows next? There's a joint process at work here and only to look at how well socialist parties are doing (or not) is to see only half the picture.
 
the French and UK model where the mainstream parties simply integrate far-right thinking into governmental policies with public support proving more widespread?

The game Sarkozy played, shamelessly, backfired though and Hollande didn't get drawn in as much as he might have. And Labour have pulled back from the worst of this stuff. So at the very least there is no uninterrupted trajectory to the far right.

Can the left come to shift the fundamental terms of the debate? Well, in Greece, in France even? A bit soon to tell...
 
The article doesn't say "in the ascendancy" - it says "in the ascendant" - very important difference in emphasis and meaning i think. The first meaning a position of dominance the second meaning on the rise, growing influence.

What other examples of the left having some measure of success and in what conditions can you offer us?
arguably the recent mobilisations against EDL etc have shown the left can get off their arses - as well as for mayday, mass strike, uk uncut. maybe a bit optimistic but its been better recently than for a while.
 
The game Sarkozy played, shamelessly, backfired though and Hollande didn't get drawn in as much as he might have. And Labour have pulled back from the worst of this stuff. So at the very least there is no uninterrupted trajectory to the far right.

Can the left come to shift the fundamental terms of the debate? Well, in Greece, in France even? A bit soon to tell...
I wasn't talking about Sarzoky winning elections (and he still came pretty bloody close despite the real adoption of far-right polices - deporting Roma and so on). I was talking about the right bloc moving from 41% to 45% nationally, with the FN component rising from 25% to circa 45% of it over the last 4 years, and the start point of that bloc now being much much further to the right, which then shifts both the terms of politics and the other centre parties further and closer to the far right.
 
Of interest - don't know the commentator (Jean François Kahn) or their reputation/motivation - will try and find some more info:

As the political parties intensify campaigns for upcoming parliamentary elections, Marianne publishes excerpts of a new high profile book, 6 May 2012 Catastrophe.

It is written by firebrand political commentator Jean François Kahn. He warns about a looming political disaster for the centre-right UMP and speculates that the far-right Front National (FN) is poised to become France’s main opposition party by 2017.
 
Well it's I'm not sure how irreversible this trend is - I would've thought there's a good chance the centre-right see they've played into the FN hands this time round.
 
Nor the academics who've noted the adoption of multi-culturalist themes by the European far-right since the orignal adoption in late 1970s France by the Nouvelle Droite. All fools when placed against the confused might of Ben Calhoun.
 
I'm sure they conflated multiculturalism with 'narrow ethnic nationalism' too.
Yeh, ideologically "loaded" euphemistic terms in political discourse are slippery and treacherous things. eg, In the 1930's anyone seeing the term "rootless cosmopolitans" understood immediately that it was the Jews that were being talked about - in a derogatory fashion. Now TODAY in political discourse it is admittedly possible to see the old South African Apartheid system as being in favour of a particular version of "multiculturalism" in terms of encouraging and relishing the maintenance of separate cultural groups with different rights and duties - with the WHITE community totally in the position of POWER of course. In this usage of the term "multiculturalism" it IS possible to see the BNP as "multiculturalists" , in that they do downplay SOCIAL CLASS in favour of an ideology based on "race" or in their particular racist terms "culture".

But IS this the commonly understood meaning that the term "multicultruralism" has for 95% of the UK population, or indeed the BNP and its supporters , TODAY ? NO IT ISN'T. For most people "multiculturalism" simply means a society where many ethnically and religiously distinct communities live and coexist - relatively peacefully. People can be in favour or opposed to this of course, but for most people that is what the term means. So the BNP of course routinely OPPOSES and denounces "Multicultural" Britain - it doesn't support it - and as a politically "loaded" euphemistic "buzzword" if you go round white working class estates and say you are opposed to "multiculturalism" this is ALWAYS taken as "code" a "euphemism" for "We are opposed to the existence or rights or perceived privileges of Muslims, Blacks, Hindus - as against the perceived second class status of White working class people" THAT IS WHAT IT IS TAKEN AS MEANING BY MOST PEOPLE. Now the IWCA say "But we take the time and care to ensure that "on the doorstep" and in our literature our particular "take" on "multiculturalism" is well understood - ie, we wish to emphasise the centrality of working class identity as against the divisions in the class based on ethnicity, religion, culture" DREAM ON guys ! the IWCA's special "multicultural" position is a concession to the deepseated hostility to ethnic and religious minorities within the White Working class - dressed up in a "specialist" alternative understanding of "multiculturalism" which will pass most of the target audience by. Such a convenient position to hold if you don't nowadays want to confront the deepseated racism of the White Working Class or the rising tide of street fascism.
 
This article is a bit of a mess and is as notable for its omissions as anything it says, but as the headline is probably giggleworthy on u75 I shall post it anyway. For me the obvious comedy comes from the articles ability to identify gains by the left, but then completely fail to consider any implications stemming from that, and to simply beg the mainstream to somehow come up with some ideas to save everything in a suitably liberal manner, save us from the far-right threat:

The rise of the Right: Why liberals cannot afford to lose


http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/06/04/the-rise-of-the-right-why-liberals-cannot-afford-to-lose/
 
I just read through the article and it was very interesting, a lot of food for thought. The only thing that I'd really like to add to it is there's a danger that people might overstate the strength of the working class movement in the 20's and 30's out of nostalgia. Certainly the movement was far stronger than it is today, but I don't think the labour movement was at its strongest in those periods, as a political actor it was in the post-war period that labour was at it's strongest, not the 30's. This is broadly true in most european countries. The big lesson that I take from that period is the fact that the labour movement was incapable of resisting the far-right, and that weakness directly led to the growth and development of fascism in the inter-war years.

The british workers movement was weak and divided post-1926, and not to mention dominated by weak social democratic reformist tendencies. In Spain we had the inability of the left to defend the republican government from the far-right, and in Italy fascism in the space of a few years accomplished what no workers organization bar the Bolsheviks managed in the same period of time, that is to say revolutionary overthrow of the state, and the Italian workers movement posed no major barrier to it. In Germany, which had the largest trade union and left-wing movement in Europe at the time, both the freikorps and later the SA with Hitler were able to defeat the opposition of the left relatively easily.

As for the word multiculturalism, for me the word has little or no meaning any more. In common usage, on the far-right and on Tory right, the word means little more than a polite way of saying "Multi-ethnic" in a political narrative where you can't get away with naked racism anymore. This is not new, right-wingers are kidding themselves if they think that people can't see through it, they've been arguing for this sort of thing for the best part of 20 years, and it's led to only meagre political gains, a lot of which seem to be quite short-lived (Geert Wilders for example) which is why some of doom-mongering I encounter on the left is mystifying to me. Don't get me wrong, there's still horrific potential out there for this sort of politics to be the pretext to justify terrible crimes against humanity, but it's hardly progressing on schedule for them, is it? Rather than constantly bigging them up, maybe an article to point out the flaws in the Unstoppable Neo-Fascist Juggernaut might be a worthwhile idea?

This "new" tactic the right has persued, ostensibly abandoning race and framing their beliefs in a cultural language, has led to some electoral gains, but I think there might be a ceiling at which they can get so far and no further with this. The emphasis on culture makes it much easier for their rhetoric to be incorporated into mainstream politics than Nazism or Fascism was, and I think that the Tories over here and centre-right parties elsewhere are going to be able to absorb that. Realistically that's where the major danger from the far-right lies, not from the far-right themselves, but the combined effect of the far-right's activities and a media that propagandised against muslims, ethnic minorities, immigrants and other undesirables, that orhcestrates public witchhunts against these groups, that will drag political opinion slowly their way. The obsession with Cultural Marxism they have currently have is apparent when you see the political trajectory they've gone on. I remember reading the introduction to a Rush Limbaugh book once, god knows why, and it was all about Gramsci ffs.

Of course, we are overlooking something here that should be of the highest importance, which is the fact they've have to concede so much ground in the first place and abandon open racism, nazism, eugenics, armed insurrection etc is in itself a product of a huge failure on their part, the fact they've been reduced to playing this game of soft fluffy nationalism is actually quite encouraging. It's also something that really pisses them off too, which is one of the reasons that the right is even worse than the left for splits, some people on the right consider this to be the ultimate betrayal, worse than anything the left could comparably do. Spend a lazy afternoon reading through the threads on Shitfront and you'll see this crop up all the time.
 
Perhaps the far-right has been so deeply influenced by neo-liberalism that they've abandoned racial politics and reduced themselves to being an identity politics advocacy group, albeit one with a fascist pedigree and a propensity for violence. The Neo-liberal rot has set in so deeply that they even have to pander to political correctness, rather than fight against it openly as they no doubt would like. They've also for the most part moved to the right fiscally, Geert Wilders and UKIP being a good example of this mixture of "cultural nationalism" mixed with neo-liberal economics. The funny thing is of course they've made these decisions at a time when neo-liberalism was rampant and hegemonic, and class interests seemed to be a waning force in politics. They've got so worked up about cultural marxism they've ignored economic and class based political issues in favour of this approach, that following the financial crisis of 2008 and the re-emergence of class-based politics in the mainstream has left them looking a bit out of date. This opens up space for the left in my opinion. Look at the recent french presidential elections for proof of this. Everyone collectively shit themselves about the Front National getting 18%, but if I'm not mistaken that's only an incease of 1.6% over their previous best with Jean Marie Le Pen. Is that it? After a full decade of these scary new tactics, in a political climate stoked with fear of muslims and immigrants, during the biggest recession since the 1930's and direcly following an incredbly brutal and evil set of terrorist attacks in Tolouse, that was the best they could do? It gets worse for them the more you look into it. When Le Pen reached the second round against Chirac in 2002 what position was the left in then? The Socialist Party under Jospin was humiliated, the far-left was nowhere to be seen, and lets be honest Jean Marie was a shit candidate compared to Marine. However this time, despite everything in their favour, they managed only very modest gains on this period. I remember as I was following the election coverage this time round, for a good 2 weeks or so Melanchon was actually polling above Marine Le Pen, and forced Le Pen to shift quite dramatically to the left in the final stages of the campaign to sure-up working class support. For a party that's been flirting with fiscal conservatism in recent years, such a u-turn is very significant, and shows the limits that this kind of "racism expressed through a form of cultural idenity politics" really has.

The obssession with cultural marxism, and the shift to cultural nationalism rather than ethno-nationalism in the "new fascism" may actually end up being a huge disaster for them. We on the left have some experience I would hope of the limits of this kind of idenity politics and the importance of culture as a poltical actor. As Peter Cook once said "All the café's, burlesques and counter-culture of weimar germany didn't do anything to prevent the nazi's taking power" which is absolutely true, the danger of overstating the importance of cultural factors in political development is something we should be aware of, coz it's something the right seem to be completely oblivious too.

It's a little bit disingenuous I think what the IWCA, and some anarchists too mind, do when they campaign against multiculturalism in this way. It's the Alf Garnett effect, appealing to two opposed groups simultaneously by using a word that has different meanings and a different emphasis to different people. Obviously, before anyone bites my head off, I know that the critique of multiculturalism by these groups is based on solid, marxist in some cases, thinking, and no way implies any degree of support for racist politics, so please spare me that rebuttal coz I get it. The idea that we can solve problems of racial and religious bigotry in some liberal, legalistic way, by council-backed identity politics, establishing human rights commisions, introducing draconian hate speech legislation and banning demonstrations etc seems like a total failure to me. It does nothing to address underlying social and economic conditions that lead to the growth of racist idea's in the first place. Political correctness might well have a role, I don't believe it's right that people should be able to use bigoted and hateful language in public discourse and I don't care how liberal that makes me, but surely the point is to be able to stamp out racist attitudes in the first place, rather than preventing them from being expressed publicly? It's shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted in my opinion.

However outside of the small, left-wing theoretical masturbation groups where these kinds of things are discussed understood as such, does that critique of multi-culturalism have any traction? Is that what people are thinking when they publicly reject multiculturalism? Not that I can see. Whether your critique is sincere or not, and I think it is btw I'm not accusing anyone of being a closet nazi, when you campaign on the basis of rejecting multi-culturalism it means one thing to us, but something entirely different to most people. Like I said earlier, "rejecting multi-culturalism" is predominantly used today as a euphemism for "send 'em back" and unless you go to extraordinary lengths to point out the complex theoretical differences between this crypto-racist usage of the term and the context in which the left rejects multiculturalism, then it will be taken to mean the same thing as the Daily Mail. Frankly there's a point at which a principled left-wing objection to the failures of state-led multiculturalism can very easily morph into just incorporating the Daily Mail's rhetoric into your propaganda rather than challenging it.

These sorts of semantics are important, for example (this is something not fully covered in the article) the way in which "multiculturalism" is used as a euphemism for multi-racial reminds of what Ayatollah was saying about how "rootless cosmopolitans" was used as a politically acceptable euphemism for Jew in the 1930's. The same thing also applies to the phrase "cultural marxism" which was also used as a euphemism for Jew in this period, if the Nazi's accused you of being a cultural marxist in the 30's it was understood to be accusing someone who wasn't Jewish of behaving in a "Jewish" way. Today being "culturally marxist" means that you're an Al-Queada sympathiser, pro-immigration, in favour of very liberal and un-marxist applications of multi-culturalism and so on. The racial/religious group may have changed based on the times we're living in, as Muslims have now replaced Jews as the most visibly identifiable racial/religious minority in Europe so this is directed at them moreso than Jews, but the process is the same. The conflation between Marxism and Islam that gets made, the irrational and hysterical hatred of the left that comes from the right-whingers, is the umbelical chord which connects this new 21st century fascism with the old, where Marxism was considered a specifically Jewish phenomenon, an extension of Jewish influence into politics. An academic friend of mine told me that Terry Eagleton gets hundreds of death threats a day from all over the world for being a culturally marxist literary critic who is part of a conspiracy to destroy the white race, mainly because his name features on the wikipedia article for Cultural Marxism.
 
The fucking PAIR of you - you've made very limited points in very long winded ways. You don't have to. Key points, in and out.
 
The fucking PAIR of you - you've made very limited points in very long winded ways. You don't have to. Key points, in and out.

Nah I'll take as much time and be as long winded as I like thank you

You are. Guess who?

I'm really not, and for the record the way in which people get so defensive about even the most minor criticism of the IWCA is startling to me, especially considering how soft the criticism actually is.
 
No, who have you accused of being closet nazis - it's a bit wider than the IWCA. At least AYATOLLAH said it out loud and proud.
 
No, who have you accused of being closet nazis - it's a bit wider than the IWCA. At least AYATOLLAH said it out loud and proud.

Absolutely fucking no-one, and trying to dismiss the points I'm making with this line of attack is dishonest and beneath you.
 
Absolutely fucking no-one, and trying to dismiss the points I'm making with this line of attack is dishonest and beneath you.
You spend 1000 words convicting them of this - but of course they didn't know they were doing it, they would never actually dare admit to the charges. You literally just talked about i think this and that - it's waffle. Connect it with something that drives it/figures. What you've posted is waffle. Pare it down. What's left?
 
You spend 1000 words convicting them of this - but of course they didn't know they were doing it, they would never actually dare admit to the charges. You literally just talked about i think this and that - it's waffle. Connect it with something that drives it/figures. What you've posted is waffle. Pare it down. What's left?

I stand by every word of it, absolutely nothing I've said accuses them of being nazi's, racists, reactionaries or otherwise. Accusing me of saying that is nothing more than a lie.

On this top of this I agree with the criticism of multiculturalism, or at least the bulk of it, that's been made by the IWCA and many others on the left in the past. If I were calling them reactionaries and nazi's, as you are suggesting, then I'd be calling myself the very same thing.

My concerns lie with how that left critique of multi-culturalism gets put across to the public in a way that makes it distinctive from the right-wing critique of multiculturalism, which is based on very different logic and has very different aims, and which is dominant in public discourse. How do you do a leaflet that on the one hand, puts forward a good left-wing criqitue of multiculturalism, that doesn't a) end up looking like Dave Spart wrote it or b) looks like something Melanie Philips would write. That's a perfectly sensible question to ask, and dismissing anyone who asks it is staggeringly defensive and intolerant. Reading through it again about the harshest thing I have said in regards to this is:


Unless you go to extraordinary lengths to point out the complex theoretical differences between this crypto-racist usage of the term and the context in which the left rejects multiculturalism, then it will be taken to mean the same thing as the Daily Mail. Frankly there's a point at which a principled left-wing objection to the failures of state-led multiculturalism can very easily morph into just incorporating the Daily Mail's rhetoric into your propaganda rather than challenging it.

Now that looks pretty fucking tame to me, especially considering I've said that whilst actually agreeing with the politics that underpins it all. It's fuck all compared to the sort of criticism members of the SWP, to pick a random example, regularly recieve when they pop their heads up on here. Are you really so thin-skinned? I mean you replied less than 90 seconds after I'd posted it up there, and I know you spend a lot of time on your computer so maybe you can read things faster than the rest of us, but surely you didn't make your way through all that long-winded drivel and formulate a response to it so quickly.

If constructive criticism from someone with vaguely similar political beliefs to your own draws such a defensive and intolerant reaction, based on nothing more than knee-jerk reaction to a percieved slight, then it speaks volumes about your own politics and how insecure you are in them.

EDIT: Tell a lie, 3 minutes, not 90 seconds. Apologies.
 
I knew what you'd posted before you did. I did. Someone had to post that stale leftist apologetic shit - only one person for that job.
 
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