21st century fascism

[Greebo]

Ooh, thanks for the tip. Found what I was looking for now

@phildwyer ^This is why it's worth asking for advice on urban.

 

[butchersapron]

Not big on detail but worth noting given a) the historical post-74 feebleness of the Spanish far-right (on the popular level at least, not necessarily so on the elite level) b) the economic developments now taking place.

The Extreme Right in Spain: An Approaching Breakthrough?

Paul Mason has a piece on this issue on newsnight tonight Amid scars of past conflict Spanish far right grows - Matthew Goodwin on as well.

 

[Fedayn]

Update on Casa Pound:

Italy's nationalist CasaPound movement launches transformation into political party





Pics here (and they put it 1000 - the police are the ones saying 6000)

Interesting to see where they marched ie Prati. It's a wealthy suburb in the north of the city. There is a bit of a stereotype that the North is Rightist and the South leftist (Not always but there's a certain truth to it). Prati is a farily safe are for them, in between the vatican and the Tiber, the home of a richer element of Roman society, typically right-wing and 'traditional. They'd feel 'safe' there even though they claim to reject the Bourgeois excesses of 'La Dolce Vita' etc..... A better view of how they are growing/moving would be a similar march nearere their Hg-in the immigrant Esquilino' area or perhaps in San Lorenzo, or more hilariously Quadraro.... It's interesting they still feel they have to march in an area like Prati.

 

[secret squirrel]

This is something that may be interesting for you concerning Germany

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...as-its-eye-on-the-farright-torch-8430671.html

 

[sihhi]

Update on Casa Pound:

Italy's nationalist CasaPound movement launches transformation into political party

They are still hard even when riding the wave - "military drills in international waters near Kerala" eager to incite war (which won't happen) between peoples:

Italy should get ready for military intervention in India if two Italian marines charged with killing two fishermen are found guilty, according to neo-fascist organisation CasaPound.

The far-right movement, whose followers plan to demonstrate in Rome's parliamentary square, Piazza Montecitoro, to demand the return from India of Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, wrote that Italy should embark on "military drills in international waters near Kerala" where the incident happened.

"[We should] get ready for the option of a military attack on India if our marines are sentenced," it added.

 

[Casually Red]

Because the core constituency itself has changed. The industrial working class has been decimated and has moved on or been forced to move on, replaced in whole swathes of areas by a permanently unemployed lumpen mass

It is no accident that the former in Italy and France that were once strongholds of the Communist Party are now strongholds of the far right and are also the areas with the most concentrated unemployment.

and multiculturalism

 

[butchersapron]

Pretty much the exact opposite of the tea party - based as that is around clear anti w/c lines and a fake managed popular appeal. And pretty much like the examples that fed gave. The key bit is that modern capitalism has produced a a far larger working class and working class political 'area' than the classic industrial working class of pre-ww2 fascism and so attraction to the far-right as a response to social issues today in the form of a pro-working class agenda (leaving aside the fact that this isn't what these programs actually are but what they offer) means that if successful it will be on a far larger scale and with more social depth than historically. And it won't appear in the guise of the tea party demanding an end to 'entitlements' but of a class demand for entitlements - see the examples fed gave.

Forget the idea of modern fascism being neo-liberal - that's going to lead you up the garden path from the first step you take.

From a piece on the current success of the FN in France in today Observer:

Fourquet also argues that across Europe rightwing populist parties have recognised that their message is more effective if it appeals to what he calls "welfare chauvinism".

"There are two strands they are utilising. The first insists on the primacy of French values [against multiculturalism]. The second is on benefits for nationals only. It is not the old call of the British far right of 'Pakis go home'. They have recognised immigrants are not going home. The insistence now is on benefits for national citizens."

 

[treelover]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23830623

http://rt.com/news/czechs-arrested-roma-demonstration-955/

Protests against Roma in a number of cities and towns in Czech republic, lots of arrests, will this be a trend or specific to certain countries?

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23830623

Protests against Roma in a number of cities and towns in Czech republic, lots of arrests, will this be a trend or specific to certain countries?

Any thoughts? Any relation to the various analysis in the OP and thread?

 

[treelover]

I post what I can, ok?

I will add they(the protesters) seem similar in composition to the EDL,

 

[butchersapron]

I post what I can, ok?

Of course that's ok, but don't just tag it on the end of anything.

 

[Casually Red]

I read the IWCA article , hoping yet again for some rather more wideranging counter strategy to the detailed listing of the gains of the Far Right across Europe as the CAPITALIST SYSTEM's crisis deepens, and produces the usual scapegoatism of minorities, and selective posturing against "finance Capital" and nationalisic bombast by the Far Right/fascists. (as Fedayn and others have detailed, this is all VERY familiar from the Strasserite/SA, Salo Republic, "Left Radicalism" of fascism when it is in its "attract the working class phase". And historically, not just now, what a potent, strategy/tactic it is).

What we get, however, in the article, as "the way forward" from the IWCa is , as usual:

"There is a counter-strategy: for those radically opposed to fascism and neo-liberalism to get on the landings and take on the fascists there, by engaging with and responding to working class concerns, and articulating progressive, pro-working class solutions. That is where battle is to be joined, for now. But if that challenge is not taken up, the battles against fascism in the future will likely be considerably more daunting".

Now Socialists will ALL agree with this bit , but of course , unlike the IWCA, who seem only to interact with the "working class" precisely when it ISN'T "working". ie when it is just a RESIDENT on a housing estate and powerless CONSUMER of goods and services , rather than in the WORKPLACE where the working class actually has potential POWER to confront capitalism through the rebuilding of militant trades unionism, Socialists actually have a wideranging analysis of capitalism, its crisis, and the social system which the working class can struggle towards as an ALTERNATIVE to capitalism.

I'm afraid the IWCA's "muscular working class localist self help liberalism" (yeh, yeh, not very snappy I know, I challenge anyone else to define what the organisation actually stands for) continually bigs up the claimed unstoppable rise of the Far Right, belittles the efforts of the Left to build anti fascist organisation, trades union action against the cuts , and work against the cuts in local communities, whilst itself having only one mantra of "get out onto the landings with local activity" as its supposedly astonishingly innovative counter-strategy.

There certainly isn't a large social democratic or revolutionery political movement or militant mass trades union movement comparable to the 20's or 30's nowadays in Europe to challenge the power of Capitalism to make us pay for the crisis. There is also , as ever, mass acceptance of the most racist and chauvinist ideologies amongst the European working classes,for fascist movements to feed on, but what's new there ? All this is true. But Europe is only a PART of the world-wide working class struggle against the capitalist offensive, and the job of socialists in Europe is STILL to try to build, through struggle, militant trades unionism and political action, as part of this world wide struggle.

Working class self help localism, WITHIN CAPITALISM, , and a rejection of socialist politics, just aint going to provide any sort of way forward, just demoralization, and ever greater political compromise by groups with this limited agenda, with key aspects of the ideological armoury of capitalist reaction.

But then you would have expected me to say that wouldn't you.

what i certainly dont expect is for any left wing group to ever start talking about immigration controls or basic economic and social planning versus neo liberal freedom of labour movement driven by the free markets hidden hand, and thats pretty much why the far right will continue to wipe the political floor with them right accross europe. The instinctive left wing response to those working class concerns is to immediately regard them as reactionary and racist, whether its a social democrat like Gordon Brown or a hardcore anarchist . In my view its not until the revolutionary and anti fascist left can provide at the very least a forum were such concerns can be raised and discussed without fear of being slaughtered for having them ...much less an actual political programme which addresses them..then its the fash wholl be happy to provide such a forum and its own programme and solutions.
Simply put, right accross europe the fash have totally outmaniuvered the left and the left have outmanouvered themselves . Saw photos just there of those french protests against the roma deportations and on appearances it seems to be the usual oddball students and wobbly heads out on the streets. Not a sign of anyone who looked like an actual worker, employed or unemployed. And no real surprise at that either.

 

[Casually Red]

One of their interesting 'detours' is the support for the Karen struggle in Burma and various other nationalist/self-determinationist struggles throughout the world. They seem to be developing an internationalist nationalist view of the world. They are trying to mkake inroads into the anti-globalisation movement by counterposing the drive to globalisation with nationalism/self-determination.

theres been dodgy italians haunting the annual west belfast feile for well over a decade now . The basques always seemed well fucked off with their presence but nobody really paid them much heed .

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Saw photos just there of those french protests against the roma deportations and on appearances it seems to be the usual oddball students and wobbly heads out on the streets. Not a sign of anyone who looked like an actual worker, employed or unemployed. And no real surprise at that either.

Really? Just looks like schoolkids out in support of their classmate to me.

 

[butchersapron]

Should have some big man at the front directing things.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Colonel Ghaddaffi maybe?

 

[DaveCinzano]

I am trying to locate the name of a book I once owned on the NPD, but which at some point I gave away.

From memory it was:

• English language, but possibly (outside chance) translated from German
• Published mid-late 1960s
• Paperback, published by Dell, Time-Life or similar (i.e. a mainstream house)
• American edition, printed in the American style (binding, paper quality etc slightly different to UK)
• Cover was mostly white, with a photograph incorporated into the design
• Back cover featured juxtaposition of the NSDAP flag with that of the NPD
• Photographic plates inside

Does this ring any bells with anyone? I'm afraid I have no idea what the title may have been, nor who the author was. I am fairly certain 'NPD' was not mentioned in the title, though it may well have been in the subtitle.

Many thanks to anyone who can help.

No idea, try asking on abebooks. Both on the bookfinder bit of the site and using their forum - somebody's bound to recognise it.

Ooh, thanks for the tip. Found what I was looking for now

It was this, BTW:

Germany's new Nazis: Amazon.co.uk: Ivor Montagu: Books

Ta again

 

[teqniq]

I guess this is as good a place to put this as any

The Israeli winner of Berlin Film Festival has branded the Israeli government 'fascist'