17 year old private school student cleared of friend's murder

[Spymaster]

... somehow they are wrong and those problems we all agree exist within the CJS just didn't have an influence on this case?

Except nobody has argued this.

 

[kenny g]

I am sure that if you are innocent you are more likely to be convicted if you are BME. It is also quite likely that if these defendants had been BME they would have been more likely to have been convicted.However, it doesn't follow that they were guilty and there was a miscarriage of justice. Looking at the detailed MEN reports of proceedings there do appear to have been some evidential problems.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Looking at the detailed MEN reports of proceedings there do appear to have been some evidential problems.

Yeah, namely there wasn't enough evidence to convict them. So the jury didn't convict them, but let's not let facts stand in the way of hyperbole.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It is also quite likely that if these defendants had been BME they would have been more likely to have been convicted.However, it doesn't follow that they were guilty and there was a miscarriage of justice. Looking at the detailed MEN reports of proceedings there do appear to have been some evidential problems.

Erm, one of them was BME. There is some doubt about the other boy (Boy A) but he may also be BME. Hence the long thread on this case where a debate has been taking place about class erasing ethnicity. You should read it.

 

[kenny g]

Erm, one of them was BME. There is some doubt about the other boy (Boy A) but he may also be BME. Hence the long thread on this case where a debate has been taking place about class erasing ethnicity. You should read it.

I did read it .... must have been a bit squiffy though.

 

[Part 2]

Blimey they've actually got custodial sentences....albeit short.

Yousef Makki judge blasts fantasies of middle class gangsters as boys locked up

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Mandatory 2 years for carrying a knife.

If you are a prole.

8 months for attempting to rob a drug dealer with a knife and stabbing one of your co-conspirators to death.

Seems fair.

 

[Athos]

Mandatory 2 years for carrying a knife.

If you are a prole.

8 months for attempting to rob a drug dealer with a knife and stabbing one of your co-conspirators to death.

Seems fair.

They were sentenced for possession of the bladed article and perverting the course of justice; not for other things of which they were not convicted i.e. the attempted robbery or the death of the other boy.

There is no mandatory two year sentence for carrying a knife.

 

[Combustible]

Mandatory 2 years for carrying a knife.

There is only a minimum sentence for carrying a knife under certain circumstances (threatening and repeat offences), and that minimum is 6 months for adults, and 4 months for 16 or 17 year olds. And even these can be ignored by the judge.

In England and Wales, there are minimum custodial sentences for anyone aged 16 or over caught with a knife in the following circumstances:

• Threatening: They are convicted of using the knife to threaten another person where that person is at immediate risk of serious physical harm
• Repeat offenders: They are convicted of carrying a knife in a public place or on school premises, and they have at least one previous "relevant conviction" of possession a weapon or threatening people with a weapon

In these cases, offenders aged 18 or over would be sentenced to a minimum six months' custodial sentence and a maximum 4 years.

For those aged 16 or 17 the minimum sentence is a detention and training order of at least four months.

What is the punishment for carrying a knife?

 

[Spymaster]

There is no mandatory two year sentence for carrying a knife.

Bahnhof Strasse was obviously pissed when he posted that nonsense.

These cunts have been delivered what the law allows.

In this respest, I believe that the law is an arse, and that they should have got 10 years apiece. There will be single issue types like Rutita1 and ska invita who will foment racisim/classism, from this though.

 

[Part 2]

I really don't see Boy A lasting long.

Boy cleared of murder 'sent video of stabbing motions' hours after verdict

 

[Treacle Toes]

I really don't see Boy A lasting long.

Boy cleared of murder 'sent video of stabbing motions' hours after verdict

It's fucking awful. The gloating vid after killing someone is commonplace with Drill. Not something you'd do if it was an 'accident' and you felt genuine remorse. The Makki family must be equal amounts of heartbroken and livid. It's the insult to injury and utterly cruel given how they have already been treated.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

There is only a minimum sentence for carrying a knife under certain circumstances (threatening and repeat offences), and that minimum is 6 months for adults, and 4 months for 16 or 17 year olds. And even these can be ignored by the judge.



What is the punishment for carrying a knife?

Ok, so 4 months for carrying, doubled if you kill. Still seams fair.

 

[GarveyLives]

There will be single issue types like @Rutita1 and @ska invita who will foment racisim/classism, from this though.

Had the child who was killed been 'black,' the case would never have been mentioned on these forums, let alone become the subject matter of its own thread.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Had the child who was killed been 'black,' the case would never have been mentioned on these forums, let alone become the subject matter of its own thread.

Don't take the bait.

It's rancid attention seeking.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Had the child who was killed been 'black,' the case would never have been mentioned on these forums, let alone become the subject matter of its own thread.

Yes. One young (mainly black) person a week is killed or seriously injured on average in Birmingham. Between January and March of this year there were 97 stabbings and 269 reported knife related incidents here.

The silence - on the causes, the grief and the solutions - is deafening.

 

[Spymaster]

Had the child who was killed been 'black,' the case would never have been mentioned on these forums, let alone become the subject matter of its own thread.

Of course not.

 

[Spymaster]

Yes. One young (mainly black) person a week is killed or seriously injured on average in Birmingham. Between January and March of this year there were 97 stabbings and 269 reported knife related incidents here.

The silence - on the causes, the grief and the solutions - is deafening.

These scrotes got airtime (and not very much of it outside of Manchester) because of the perceived singularity of the circumstances (posh kids with knives). They have been done for possession of blades and perverting the course of justice. Their sentences are in line with that. Not murder or manslaughter, which they were cleared of.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

These scrotes got airtime (and not very much of it outside of Manchester) because of the perceived singularity of the circumstances (posh kids with knives)

I complete agree.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Bahnhof Strasse was obviously pissed when he posted that nonsense.

These cunts have been delivered what the law allows.

In this respest, I believe that the law is an arse, and that they should have got 10 years apiece. There will be single issue types like Rutita1 and ska invita who will foment racisim/classism, from this though.

This seems personally addressed to people some of whom haven't even posted on this thread. Please don't.

 

[Spymaster]

This seems personally addressed to people some of whom haven't even posted on this thread. Please don't.

One has very specifically engaged me on this thread. point taken on the other one though. Fair do's.

 

[Proper Tidy]

BBC News - Yousef Makki trial: Defendant 'smirked at family in court'
Accused 'moonwalked past victim's family'

 

[Dakew86]

I think the children's parents come from a family of Jewish elites that own Hale Barns.

The appeal has been thrown out by the attorney general.

 

[eatmorecheese]

I think the children's parents come from a family of Jewish elites that own Hale Barns.

The appeal has been thrown out by the attorney general.

 

[Spymaster]

Yeah. Let him post a bit more.

 

[Treacle Toes]

More well-to-dos enjoying the double standards of institutionalised classism.

'Posh turf war' teens spared jail because they wouldn't cope in prison | Metro News

 

[Pickman's model]

More well-to-dos enjoying the double standards of institutionalised classism.

'Posh turf war' teens spared jail because they wouldn't cope in prison | Metro News

"they had been drinking amaretto together throughout the day"

enough to make you vomit

 

[Spymaster]

"they had been drinking amaretto together throughout the day"

enough to make you vomit

At least he managed to stay off the cocaine for a full 2 WEEKS before the trial!

 

[Pickman's model]

At least he managed to stay off the cocaine for a full 2 WEEKS before the trial!

a great sacrifice

 

[cupid_stunt]

How the fuck could he spend £400 a week on cocaine and cannabis?

The daft twat.