Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yep, but if both living lads present are saying it was self defence and in the absence of any other evidence, it's hard to see how the jury can convict Boy A of murder or manslaughter.
17 year old private school student cleared of friend's murder
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kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
The MEN reporting from the trial gives a lot of background. Boy two offered no evidence. Seems to be significant emphasis on their youth by the def. Boy one pulled a knife at a party after hitting someone the previous year. Wouldn't be suprised to hear from these two again..
likesfish
You can't park here sir
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Nah not that one. I can't find a link. About 20 year back. I think he killed his wife.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Precisely. The reporting is shocking, but from what it’s possible to put together both pulled blades and given the apparent testimony of the third member of the posh bluds there were no other options for the jury.
But given the immense privilege of those involved I can’t help but think the somewhat oblique reporting of matters is designed to give the two a clean slate. Lessons learned by the lads etc. Put another way, I can’t imagine a similar presentation of events if it was three working class mancs
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Cribynkle
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Both pulled blades but they never managed to find the one belonging to Yousef Makki...
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I saw at least one person naming Boy one in the comments so he'll probably be getting a knock at the door and end up with a worse sentence than either of the accused.
Oddly when I googled his name the original story from March comes up as 5th result.
I saw at least one person naming Boy one in the comments so he'll probably be getting a knock at the door and end up with a worse sentence than either of the accused.
Oddly when I googled his name the original story from March comes up as 5th result.
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yes, but a jury can only return the verdict it did with the evidence before it. They can't speculate or presume there was no knife without any evidence to back it up.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Boy A & Boy B aren't 'white' - this is primarily about the power & leverage of money & its connections, not ethnicity. And to some extent about a legal system that allows the middle classes to be self-punishing, haunted by their own (christian) consciences, moved towards rehabilitation through their own economic potential, while insisting that poorer people(s) need their conscience & punishment externalising.
Treacle Toes
Time
Patteran Have their identities been published? I've not seen anything. Do you have a link you can share?
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
I don't think I can without courting trouble - they're both minors. The MEN posted their names yesterday by accident - they were redacted swiftly, but matched the names that many in the area knew anyway - they're from two big, well-known south Manchester schools with thousands of pupils, consequently the story has been common & social media currency since Day One.
Boy 1 is very much what I would call 'white' from his appearance. Boy 2 has what I would think of as an Asian name.
Its not hard to find their names on Twitter. Tweets about the business owned by Boy 1's mum and someone has even posted a picture from the evening news that named them both by surname in the photo caption.... doesn't appear to have been doctored.
Its not hard to find their names on Twitter. Tweets about the business owned by Boy 1's mum and someone has even posted a picture from the evening news that named them both by surname in the photo caption.... doesn't appear to have been doctored.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Judges summing up was a bit Jeremy Thorpe. 'It is for you to decide whether the character witness description of a sweet, lovely and engaging boy helps the defendant and that this may make him very intelligent.'
Yeah. Up to you to decide.
Yeah. Up to you to decide.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
It's a Central European name, & as far as I know, Jewish. My point was that Powell has the wrong line - this case is emblematic of class leverage more than ethnicity.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
I thought they were from private schools, surely they wouldn't be that big?
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
A quick google says 1,400 odd in each - big enough, plus a shocking contextual story to generate interest, & social media to spread it. I have no connection to the story but heard all about it very quickly, & going on the court case, surprisingly accurately just from idle chit chat.
As and Bs and 1s and 2s getting confused maybe. Boy 1 was accused of murder and as far as I'm aware is the one with a Hungarian Jewish name.
Completely agree on your other point, as I said, if it was one of the others dead in Gorton I suspect the outcome of this would be very different.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
You're right, yes - I confused the court pseudonyms, apologies.
And yep, the meat of it - potential charges of murder, joint enterprise, conspiracy to rob all shrugged off because of a top QC & contextually adequate references/credentials. Compare this to the cps & police enthusiasm for joint enterprise charges (& guilty verdicts) round the Hafidah murder in Moss Side a couple of years back. It's straightforwardly unjust.
Grace Johnson
i like dairylea dunkers
Thats a brilliant way of putting it. Very insightful.
Yea a friend was using the same comparison the other day.
Grace Johnson
i like dairylea dunkers
It is fucked up. I live 10 miles ish up the road. If that had been lads round here, there would have been no bail. And they both would be done under the joint enterprise laws.
It's a class thing, these boys get to be judged by their potential which if anything gives them even less of an excuse.
GarveyLives
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Patteran
A nowadays excuse
There's some shocking details in that about their treatment - callous.
Gaia
Urban's Village Idiot
Plenty of Muslims elsewhere, not just in the Middle East (Pakistan and Afghanistan for example). The victim was of Lebanese descent.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yet again, what would you have a jury do? Either we insist on them acting strictly in accordance with the evidence before them or we ask them to begin speculating/following hunches. It cannot be both
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
There is no evidence to say Makki had a knife. Only Boy As word and a changed statement of boy B who admitted lying in his earlier statement. And then refused to give evidence.
You can’t prove a negative and you certainly can’t do it when the boy who was said to have a knife is not there to defend himself because he’s dead.
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