14th November Movement for Left Unity

[butchersapron]

This bloke is now calling for LU to support ISIS' caliphate.

As is this woman from the labour party/LRC. She is a genuine non-messing posadist as well.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

As is this woman from the labour party/LRC. She is a genuine non-messing posadist as well.

I think the single best thing about real Posadists, and there are many wonderful features to choose from, is their dedication to Labour Party entryism.

 

[articul8]

As is this woman from the labour party/LRC. She is a genuine non-messing posadist as well.

I thing she is the lone Posadist in Britain now. In fairness, she doesn't actually argue in support of ISIS there, although she argues for not supporting the Kurds in Kobane (but on the grounds that Assad is some kind of secular anti-imperialist). It's a wrong position, but it's not the same as supporting a caliphate.

 

[butchersapron]

I thing she is the lone Posadist in Britain now. In fairness, she doesn't actually argue in support of ISIS there, although she argues for not supporting the Kurds in Kobane (but on the grounds that Assad is some kind of secular anti-imperialist). It's a wrong position, but it's not the same as supporting a caliphate.

Yeah it is. And she in the same group as you. Not the labour party, the LRC.

 

[articul8]

Yeah it is. And she in the same group as you. Not the labour party, the LRC.

Not really. The LRC has a mad fringe sectarian element in it, which does it no favours. But she isn't supporting ISIS or their ideas, however wrong she might be on the situation in general.

 

[articul8]

Not really. The LRC has a mad fringe sectarian element in it, which does it no favours. But she isn't supporting ISIS or their ideas, however wrong she might be on the situation in general.

That post isn't as bad as Socialist Fight's defence of the Woolwich Axe killers, who were apparently making an anti-imperialist gesture.

 

[butchersapron]

Not really. The LRC has a mad fringe sectarian element in it, which does it no favours. But she isn't supporting ISIS or their ideas, however wrong she might be on the situation in general.

No she is, like she supported the Russian fascists.

 

[butchersapron]

That post isn't as bad as Socialist Fight's defence of the Woolwich Axe killers, who were apparently making an anti-imperialist gesture.

It's the same.

 

[articul8]

It's the same.

Not quite - she is not saying ISIS are anti-imperialists. She is saying that imperialists back the Kurds, who are fighting Assad, who resists the ambitions of imperialism. She isn't saying anything directly about ISIS, except that the Kurds shouldn't be armed to fight them.

 

[butchersapron]

Not quite - she is not saying ISIS are anti-imperialists. She is saying that imperialists back the Kurds, who are fighting Assad, who resists the ambitions of imperialism. She isn't saying anything directly about ISIS, except that the Kurds shouldn't be armed to fight them.

She's saying support ISIS you goon. Someone in your little group.

Why don't you kick her out?

 

[articul8]

No, she isn't (however much I disagree with what she IS saying). She's not the front of the queue as far as expulsions are concerned!

 

[butchersapron]

No, she isn't (however much I disagree with what she IS saying). She's not the front of the queue as far as expulsions are concerned!

Yeah she is. I see why you can't admit it though.

 

[articul8]

Yeah she is. I see why you can't admit it though.

She just isn't saying that *here*, although I can believe she's daft enough to (and she's not her on own sadly).

 

[butchersapron]

She just isn't saying that *here*, although I can believe she's daft enough to (and she's not her on own sadly).

She's saying it out load and proud and as a part of your group.The one you elect to be a member of, Yet there are even worse oddballs that you think you have to deal with before reaching this one.

 

[articul8]

She's saying it out load and proud and as a part of your group.The one you elect to be a member of, Yet there are even worse oddballs that you think you have to deal with before reaching this one.

where is she saying "support ISIS"? Can you provide a quote to that effect? You don't have to try hard to point to the limits of the LRC, so I don't see why you are making shit up.

 

[butchersapron]

where is she saying "support ISIS"? Can you provide a quote to that effect? You don't have to try hard to point to the limits of the LRC, so I don't see why you are making shit up.

Seriously, you can type loads of shit on RMT members wages whilst sitting in parliament and you can't read a text from a fucking goon right?

 

[articul8]

Seriously, you can type loads of shit on RMT members wages whilst sitting in parliament and you can't read a text from a fucking goon right?

I am not sitting in Parliament, and I can read very well thankyou.

 

[frogwoman]

To be honest I found her screed barely comprehensible, I am not sure it said support Isis but I have little idea what it did say

 

[butchersapron]

No, she isn't (however much I disagree with what she IS saying). She's not the front of the queue as far as expulsions are concerned!

This person isn't even the nuttiest in your group?

 

[articul8]

This person isn't even the nuttiest in your group?

depends how you measure it, but not necessarily

 

[butchersapron]

depends how you measure it, but not necessarily

Join labour and then the LRC. You're the nuttiest right?

 

[frogwoman]

Serious question - why haven't the labour leadership done a Kinnock with the posadists etc and expelled them? Is it because most people don't know about them because they are so irrelevant and therefore the lp can't be arsed, or do they not know of their existence? Or perhaps it's because expelling them would just cause more embarrassment as more people became aware of their existence?

 

[articul8]

There's an understandable aversion to expelling people on the basis of their particular interepretation of socialist ideas. We aren't a Leninist section with a single line. For the most part the wackier fringe has been harmless enough.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Serious question - why haven't the labour leadership done a Kinnock with the posadists etc and expelled them? Is it because most people don't know about them because they are so irrelevant and therefore the lp can't be arsed, or do they not know of their existence? Or perhaps it's because expelling them would just cause more embarrassment as more people became aware of their existence?

The Labour Party expels groups if they are seen as a threat or as disruptive or if they provide a useful target for some reason. They don't expel non threatening fruit loops. Like the Posadists or Socialist Appeal.

 

[butchersapron]

The Labour Party expels groups if they are seen as a threat or as disruptive or if they provide a useful target for some reason. They don't expel non threatening fruit loops.

Hence LRC.

 

[Coolfonz]

No, she isn't (however much I disagree with what she IS saying). She's not the front of the queue as far as expulsions are concerned!

If she was a Muslim in a hijab she would be.

 

[butchersapron]

There's an understandable aversion to expelling people on the basis of their particular interepretation of socialist ideas. We aren't a Leninist section with a single line. For the most part the wackier fringe has been harmless enough.

You have no power to expel anyone. Note in this case you decide to say we rather than they.

 

[J Ed]

There's an understandable aversion to expelling people on the basis of their particular interepretation of socialist ideas. We aren't a Leninist section with a single line. For the most part the wackier fringe has been harmless enough.

People in the LRC back North Korea. People would be horrified if anyone knew who they were.

 

[J Ed]

Let's all carry Blairite bags in accordance with Socialist Lifestyle

 

[frogwoman]

The Labour Party expels groups if they are seen as a threat or as disruptive or if they provide a useful target for some reason. They don't expel non threatening fruit loops. Like the Posadists or Socialist Appeal.

If the ideas of some of the people in the LRC (ie supporting Isis) became public knowledge wouldn't it seriously damage the party though?