14th November Movement for Left Unity

[articul8]

Stalinism not just Stalin

 

[butchersapron]

Stalinism not just Stalin

Ah so when you said stalin you didn't mean stalin. And no, that's just as crude and simplistic.

 

[butchersapron]

Labour party marxists eh? Fucking hell.

 

[articul8]

Labour party marxists eh? Fucking hell.

He's harmless

 

[butchersapron]

He's harmless

Don't smiley me you rat. Do something about this woman in your group.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Whose the merriest band of muppeteers then? LRC or LU?

I see they're making good progress and Kate Hudson is having plenty of friendly chats with that nice Natalie Bennett.

http://www.independentsocialistnetw...t-debating-whether-to-oppose-the-green-party/

 

[belboid]

Whose the merriest band of muppeteers then? LRC or LU?

I see they're making good progress and Kate Hudson is having plenty of friendly chats with that nice Natalie Bennett.

http://www.independentsocialistnetw...t-debating-whether-to-oppose-the-green-party/

Love the bit about the two clearly contradictory Bristol West motions both being passed. I wonder why, when they're so keen on the LU-TUSC joint candidatures (well, two of them) they aren't insisting that Mark Anthony France doesn't stand as LU-Class War ion Bromsgrove.

 

[butchersapron]

Felicity Dowling moved that the NC endorsed Terry Stewart in Hackney South but asked the Bristol branch to conduct a questionnaire in the Constituency to gauge whether voters would support a LU candidate rather than a Green.

Need i say anything?

 

[Lo Siento.]

Whose the merriest band of muppeteers then? LRC or LU?

I see they're making good progress and Kate Hudson is having plenty of friendly chats with that nice Natalie Bennett.

http://www.independentsocialistnetw...t-debating-whether-to-oppose-the-green-party/

The LRC tried to recruit me on Twitter the other day. Their main pitch was that I didn't have to join the Labour Party if I didn't want to.

 

[butchersapron]

The LRC tried to recruit me on Twitter the other day. Their main pitch was that I didn't have to join the Labour Party if I didn't want to.

You do have to join ISIS though.

 

[belboid]

You do have to join ISIS though.

same position as Class Wars candidate

 

[butchersapron]

same position as Class Wars candidate

I mentioned him first!

 

[chilango]

same position as Class Wars candidate

Why CW are letting him stand under their banner is beyond me.

 

[articul8]

You do have to join ISIS though.

Yawn - Marie is wrong, very wrong, but not a supporter of ISIS.

 

[treelover]

L/U's FB page is getting very active, some reasonable 'debates'

 

[emanymton]

Love the bit about the two clearly contradictory Bristol West motions both being passed. I wonder why, when they're so keen on the LU-TUSC joint candidatures (well, two of them) they aren't insisting that Mark Anthony France doesn't stand as LU-Class War ion Bromsgrove.

This is my favourite bit

It was also agreed that structures needed to be put in place to make sure resolutions agreed were then implemented

 

[SpackleFrog]

L/U's FB page is getting very active, some reasonable 'debates'

About what? The UN? The need for structures to oversee the structures? What Kate Hudson and Natalie Bennett are doing at the weekend?

 

[ska invita]

Today Left Unity makes an appeal for an alliance against austerity –
"We will support any candidate, whether they are from the Greens, the Labour left or a smaller party committed to equality, who states clearly that they will never vote for austerity and whose record leads us to believe that they are sincere.
Not only will we not be standing against these candidates, we will actively campaign for them where possible.
We will make every effort to negotiate with other parties who are prepared to enter into democratic discussion, with the aim of uniting around one anti-austerity candidate in each constituency. We call on the whole left to do likewise."

 

[SpackleFrog]

That looks like a statement of support for TUSC candidates that explicitly doesn't mention TUSC.

 

[articul8]

What about a constituency where there's an anti-cuts Labour candidate and a TUSC candidate?

 

[andysays]

What about a constituency where there's an anti-cuts Labour candidate and a TUSC candidate?

An anti-cuts Labour candidate is a contradiction in terms

 

[articul8]

An anti-cuts Labour candidate is a contradiction in terms

Not really - there are a number of MPs and candidates who oppose austerity and have no record of voting for it

 

[Pickman's model]

Not really - there are a number of MPs and candidates who oppose austerity and have no record of voting for it

is it a big number or is it a little number?

 

[andysays]

Not really - there are a number of MPs and candidates who oppose austerity and have no record of voting for it

The Labour party is committed to austerity, and any successful LP candidate will be hoping to be part of a Labour or Labour-led government which will be imposing policies of further austerity.

If a handful of Labour MPs claim to "oppose austerity" and think that by merely not voting to impose specific measures that they are somehow absolved of any responsibility, I regard that as nonsense.

 

[SpackleFrog]

What about a constituency where there's an anti-cuts Labour candidate and a TUSC candidate?

There a tiny number of labour MP's who would oppose austerity (McDonnell, Corbyn etc) and TUSC doesn't stand against those.

Corbyn spoke at our conference today-I asked him why trade unionists should vote Labour and he refused to comment on whether they should or not.

 

[chilango]

Not really - there are a number of MPs and candidates who oppose austerity and have no record of voting for it

Fuck Off.

 

[articul8]

TUSC is standing in a marginal - Lancaster and Fleetwood - against a lefty and former researcher to Corbyn. Between them and, more seriously, the Greens they could hand that seat to the Tories.

 

[articul8]

is it a big number or is it a little number?

Relatively modest, but still....

 

[SpackleFrog]

TUSC is standing in a marginal - Lancaster and Fleetwood - against a lefty and former researcher to Corbyn. Between them and, more seriously, the Greens they could hand that seat to the Tories.

Oh NO! Against one of Corbyn's work experience grunts? What a tragedy for the class! I'll contact the steering committee immediately and demand we withdraw.

Fuck off you stupid twat.

 

[chilango]

TUSC is standing in a marginal - Lancaster and Fleetwood - against a lefty and former researcher to Corbyn. Between them and, more seriously, the Greens they could hand that seat to the Tories.