14th November Movement for Left Unity

[chilango]

every party has loons - its not until membership grows to be more representative that the loons can be sidelined. all the major parties continue to have them, never mind the smaller groups. politics attracts outsiders

i missed it - why describe it as ritualistic proceduralism? whats wrong with good procedures?

I'm talking about the need to "move motions" and all that entails.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh do fuck off you moron

He's only saying what we all/casually red think.

 

[articul8]

So - did the pro-Caliphate motion pass ?

 

[nino_savatte]

So - did the pro-Caliphate motion pass ?

Don't be daft. It was overwhelmingly defeated.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Lol

 

[butchersapron]

Wholly fuck,what a vibrant democratic shambles. What a difference from the stale old left. Do watch/listen.

 

[articul8]

Is that what democracy looks like?

 

[butchersapron]

Is that what democracy looks like?

You can fuck off and all you composite behind closed doors on the members - they'll never know - tab labour cunt.

 

[articul8]

To be fair it's a serious question - how you can get democratic procedures right without being proceduralist. The Campaign for Labour Democracy, whilst worthy, gets bogged down in internal wrangling over constitutional rules without really addressing the big picture. The LRC tries to be a democratic membership organisation, but that's getting abused and overrun by sectarian elements.

 

[butchersapron]

To be fair it's a serious question - how you can get democratic procedures right without being proceduralist. The Campaign for Labour Democracy, whilst worthy, gets bogged down in internal wrangling over constitutional rules without really addressing the big picture. The LRC tries to be a democratic membership organisation, but that's getting abused and overrun by sectarian elements.

To be fair my criticism were serious. You take money off RMT members. Where is their say in this?

 

[articul8]

Say in what? Left Unity?

 

[butchersapron]

Say in what? Left Unity?

In your position. Talk me about democracy. Yeah. Parasite.

 

[articul8]

I am working to the direction of the elected officers - nothing undemocratic about that.

 

[butchersapron]

I am working to the direction of the elected officers - nothing undemocratic about that.

Like the house of lords. Or democratic fuedalism. Do you really want to ask what democracy is? Do you really want to support the answer you want?

 

[butchersapron]

...and then he went quiet - how can other people be democratic. Is that what you really meant?

 

[Wilf]

Wholly fuck,what a vibrant democratic shambles. What a difference from the stale old left. Do watch/listen.

Fucking hell, I'd rather sit through some old labour conference arrangements committee stitch up than that shit. Makes the anarcho-hippy-shake hands thing look efficient.

 

[treelover]

Apparently Podemos circles are much more er, robust' than that and they are now polling top in some polls in Spain.

 

[butchersapron]

Apparently Podemos circles are much more er, robust' than that and they are now polling top in some polls in Spain.

Based on what? What does robust mean here? Just say what you mean ffs.

 

[articul8]

Like the house of lords. Or democratic fuedalism. Do you really want to ask what democracy is? Do you really want to support the answer you want?

how am I defending the House of Lords? FFS

 

[butchersapron]

how am I defending the House of Lords? FFS

Can someone help him here please?

 

[treelover]

Based on what? What does robust mean here? Just say what you mean ffs.

Chaotic, lots of shouting, etc.

 

[treelover]

 

[Wilf]

Phoenix Nights?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Phoenix Nights?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Every single person in that clip from the LU conference has been around the block, nearly all of them are recognisable from other lefty things. Where are the new forces treelover et al promised us?

 

[The39thStep]

The fact that this debate has mentioned on the Fortean Times message board pretty much sums up where the cobweb is tbh

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

*runs off to FT to dust off login*

 

[butchersapron]

Every single person in that clip from the LU conference has been around the block, nearly all of them are recognisable from other lefty things. Where are the new forces treelover et al promised us?

They've all gone to fight for ISIS.

 

[Coolfonz]

I joined LU as i thought it might have a moment of opportunity to do something. it didn't. i was of course, wrong. when i left as a result of this a few months ago the person from the political party i was leaving who answered my email, said oh well they didn't think you cd change much with electoral politics anyway. for real.

and we mentioned this guy and ISIS before on the thread...conkers bonkers.

and other people who slagged off Podemos (210,000 members, and 5 MEPs) as a flash in the pan against Left Unity (fuck all and a couple of biscuits).

 

[Wilf]

They've all gone to fight for ISIS.

So Called Left Unity.