Your interpretation of non-essential "leaving the house" acceptability parameters

[8ball]

I live 400 meters from 4 beaches
Can I go surfing?

If there's no other fucker on the beach, and there's obviously no lifeguard, then I'd say go ahead.
We're doing this shit to protect people at risk - just don't share a wave with a surfing 80 year old and cough on them.

There's no lifeguard, so if you knock yourself out and drown, well that's sad but you can't go not living for fear of dying, these measures are about not taking others with you.

Go to the vet if you break a bone.

 

[planetgeli]

If there's no other fucker on the beach, and there's obviously no lifeguard, then I'd say go ahead.
We're doing this shit to protect people at risk - just don't share a wave with a surfing 80 year old and cough on them.

There's no lifeguard, so if you knock yourself out and drown, well that's sad but you can't go not living for fear of dying, these measures are about not taking others with you.

Go to the vet if you break a bone.

Not convinced you read his whole post.

 

[8ball]

Not convinced you read his whole post.

I read the bits that made the most sense.
But too much internet hasn't been helping my attention span tbf.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I think all this talk about "your interpretation " and "common sense" reveals a wide range of opinions as to what these mean.

While I' m no respecter of laws and authority it is made quite simple by a young person in hazchem gear standing next to their Vamtec armoured car with a list of who can be out in one hand and a massive gun in the other, who can fine you 100s of euros and arrest you for 'disobedience to authority' if you start a sentence 'Surely common sense' or 'My interpretation '.
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That would indeed be simple and straightforward. It is an approach which has been tried many times in many places. It usually results in colossal loss of life and widespread abuse of human rights. Not to be recommended.

 

[xes]

I am doing 2 dog walks a day still. Only 20 minutes per walk and it's deserted.

 

[Clair De Lune]

My sister it's working in ITU with insufficient PPE. Frankly, fuck 'sad dogs'.

That must be really scary for your family. Sorry you're having to go through that. I can understand why you would be feeling anxious and angry.

 

[Athos]

That must be really scary for your family. Sorry you're having to go through that. I can understand why you would be feeling anxious and angry.

Thanks. I don't feel especially anxious, but I do feel angry that she, her NHS colleagues, and other vulnerable people are being put at increased risk for what seem to me to be pretty trivial reasons. (Though most of my rage is reserved for the government's failure to provide PPE, of course.) Made worse by learning today that a mate I go to cricket with has died of the virus.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I live 400 meters from 4 beaches

Can I go surfing.

the current line is no you are a wanker but that only developed when the beach roads were toppers with people from out of town driving to have a surf and not social distancing

can I walk down and have a swim in the sea?

see end for answer
Caveat.....I’m not at home all this is hypothetical


the fucking problem here is the government message. They even knew people are arseholes and would want to do their own thing and get fed up of a lock down and they were still utterly weak, conflicting and ambiguous with their message

if you are in the middle of nowhere you are isolated and can do what the fuck you want, unfortunately that doesn’t work in urban/suburban areas

back to one of the main issues of lockdown which is to reduce the stress on the Emergency room situation. If you have ever worked in A+E sunshine weekends =trauma (DIY, gardening and sporting) and drunkenness/fighting

the NHS has better things to be doing rather than undoing your Darwinian impulses

surfing is inherently dangerous and open water swimming can be also so don’t do it and risk adding to this fucking mess

it’s fuxking sitting at home watching tiger king and eating hula hoops off your toes. It’s only been a. Couple of weeks it’s not fuxking hard porridge

Rather than some poxy leaflet the government should send every household a copy of Anne Frank’s diary instead.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

That would indeed be simple and straightforward. It is an approach which has been tried many times in many places. It usually results in colossal loss of life and widespread abuse of human rights. Not to be recommended.

The Guardia Civil, The Policia Nacional and the Army haven't shot anybody this time, yet. We don't have any leeway: you just can't exercise outside, you can't visit family, two people maximum in one car, one behind and across from the other, and only for specific purposes, no going to the beach, no going to your second home, your allotment etc, no being out for other than the reasons listed in the cop's hand.

It was said of the UK in WW2 that to defeat totalitarianism it created a far more totalitarian state than that of its enemies; Which it largely dismantled afterwards. Was it worth it? Is it worth it this time? All this talk of the right to exercise and so on means thay you can have an argument with a cop. I can't.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

The Guardia Civil, The Policia Nacional and the Army haven't shot anybody this time, yet.

And perhaps they won’t. My point is that it is not wise to trust the motivations, intentions and future actions of armed men in uniform. Your point seems to be that armed men in uniform can chuck their weight about and make you do things. I already knew that.

It was said of the UK in WW2 that to defeat totalitarianism it created a far more totalitarian state than that of its enemies;

That, my friend, is a load of old cock.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

the fucking problem here is the government message. They even knew people are arseholes and would want to do their own thing and get fed up of a lock down and they were still utterly weak, conflicting and ambiguous with their message

The problem is that the government are trying to cover up their shite handling of the start of this crisis, when they could have got ahead of things and actually saved lives, by now blaming the public for "acting selfishly and not supporting the NHS". When actually the current situation and level of deaths are from people getting infected three weeks ago, back when all the shops were open, the Cheltenham Festival was on, and Boris was sitting on his hands dithering about herd immunity.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

and Boris was sitting on his hands dithering about herd immunity.

And shaking hands with many Coronavirus patients, spreading the virus all around

 

[teuchter]

it’s fuxking sitting at home watching tiger king and eating hula hoops off your toes. It’s only been a. Couple of weeks it’s not fuxking hard porridge

My understanding is that this is not for a couple of weeks - this is probably for a couple of months at least.

Two weeks is quite a while to go without proper exercise. Two months is a very long time to go without proper exercise. There are significant health consequences, physical and mental, of not being able to get exercise.

 

[bellaozzydog]

My understanding is that this is not for a couple of weeks - this is probably for a couple of months at least.

Two weeks is quite a while to go without proper exercise. Two months is a very long time to go without proper exercise. There are significant health consequences, physical and mental, of not being able to get exercise.

Suddenly we are a nation of fitness fiends

Sorry I’m being flippant but it would appear that we are stepping up our fitness regimes during this lock down not being stopped from doing them

 

[LDC]

Suddenly we are a nation of fitness fiends

Sorry I’m being flippant but it would appear that we are stepping up our fitness regimes during this lock down not being stopped from doing them

Yeah, a few people I know that have never done any exercise seem to now be moaning like fuck the State is stopping them running marathons.

 

[teuchter]

I think that a lot of people who usually do sport and exercise indoors or in clubs or at weekends outside of their home areas (or even in the course of going to work, or of doing their work) are now doing that in their local parks or on local streets. They are probably in many cases doing less than they normally would but some people seem to be reading this suddenly visible stuff as an indication that loads of people have started doing exercise when they didn't before.

 

[tim]

I think all this talk about "your interpretation " and "common sense" reveals a wide range of opinions as to what these mean.

While I' m no respecter of laws and authority it is made quite simple by a young person in hazchem gear standing next to their Vamtec armoured car with a list of who can be out in one hand and a massive gun in the other, who can fine you 100s of euros and arrest you for 'disobedience to authority' if you start a sentence 'Surely common sense' or 'My interpretation '.
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Francoist Fascism on wheels, how can a society supposedly governed by consent justify that (aThyssen_Henschel_UR-416) on the streets? Are they primarily used to oppress, Catalans and Basques or more generally to keep everyone in their place?

 

[lizzieloo]

I personally think everyone should stick to 1 hour max exercise a day, close to home.

But I'm also acutely aware that it's very easy for me to say that, I'm not far off being a reclusive agoraphobic at times, so I know how to deal with not being able to go out for extended periods of time, it's not the same for everyone.

My O/H used to be an alcoholic, he wasn't a nice alcoholic either.

Around 15 years ago he turned that situation around completely, I left him so he had a whole lot of space to do some self reflecting, he had loads of counselling, anger management and took up climbing and fitness (he goes to the gym every morning (he did)), stopped drinking and using drugs, took a really good look at his life and himself.

I'm saying all that because he's finding this situation close to unbearable, there must be lots of other people like him who a stroll in the woods isn't what I see it as, it isn't what most people see it as, it's part of a coping mechanism that isn't in any way optional.

He can't run due to injury (he was due for spinal surgery this month) so for him to get all the AAAAAGGGGGHHHHH out he needs to walk for miles.

I hate seeing him struggle, I'd hate to see anyone else like him struggle too, we live in a place where it's easy to go for a long walk right from our house, we're very lucky, there must be hundreds of people in cities for whom exercise and space is just as important.

I'm sick to death of seeing keyboard warriors on FB moaning about people out and about that just don't have a fucking clue.

That post got slightly more angsty than I was expecting.

 

[The39thStep]

The Guardia Civil, The Policia Nacional and the Army haven't shot anybody this time, yet. We don't have any leeway: you just can't exercise outside, you can't visit family, two people maximum in one car, one behind and across from the other, and only for specific purposes, no going to the beach, no going to your second home, your allotment etc, no being out for other than the reasons listed in the cop's hand.

It was said of the UK in WW2 that to defeat totalitarianism it created a far more totalitarian state than that of its enemies; Which it largely dismantled afterwards. Was it worth it? Is it worth it this time? All this talk of the right to exercise and so on means thay you can have an argument with a cop. I can't.

Wasnt all perfect there was obviously the censorship of newspapers and radio to ensure security , fascist sympathisers were interned , Parliament was extended to 10 years from five etc but having a functioning and democratically elected parliament including by elections, fully functioning trade unions, even a Communist Party, would suggest that it was far less totalitarian than the Axis states tbh.

 

[Epona]

I really don't know how or why they managed to so spectacularly mangle what should be a really simple message, which is/should be"Don't leave your house unless you REALLY fucking have to"

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Francoist Fascism on wheels, how can a society supposedly governed by consent justify that (aThyssen_Henschel_UR-416) on the streets? Are they primarily used to oppress, Catalans and Basques or more generally to keep everyone in their place?

It's a very different idea of policing: its a far more military/gendarmerie/national guard way of looking at it. France is not so different.

Wasnt all perfect there was obviously the censorship of newspapers and radio to ensure security , fascist sympathisers were interned , Parliament was extended to 10 years from five etc but having a functioning and democratically elected parliament including by elections, fully functioning trade unions, even a Communist Party, would suggest that it was far less totalitarian than the Axis states tbh.

Yes, I think I got carried away! Perhaps I remember the comment being that UK produced a more efficient wartime economy, universal call-up, rationing system etc than the Axis did, despite its totalitarianism. Not the same thing.

 

[bellaozzydog]

Ultimately this is all divide and conquer stuff and it’s working a treat

This isn’t Fred down the pubs fault, or Tracy who finks singing god save the queen and blitz spirit will get us through, likewise it’s not Pete the property developer with his Lycra fetish, a five grand carbon bicycle and hates his wife and children’s fault

this is an international crisis that our government has either wilfully and ideologically led us into or incompetently staggered into. I’m going with a strong combo of ignorance and malice

Roll out the tumbrels oil the blade

 

[Riklet]

Christ youd think people were being kept in a dark room in Beirut for 5 years not being asked to basically do more exercise from home and go out less for a few weeks. Or even months.

Friend of mine has been going on epic 3 hour bike trips enjoying the weather. My Dad goes on big walks (without driving). Personally I wouldnt do either. And wouldnt drive to beauty spots etc right now. All about the strain on resources if you do break down, have an accident, have a sudden heart attack bla bla bla isn't it. It's daft restricting parks etc by law or saying people in the countryside can't go for a walk but common sense dictates that we should be adapting our normal behaviour significantly.

 

[teuchter]

I doubt there's a single person on this thread who is not adapting their behaviour very significantly, and going out less.

 

[Badgers]

Here is one that I am pondering

I have a lock up garage full of crap with some stuff there is no room for in small flat. The plan was that as soon as the weather improved I was going to spend a day (or likely two) sorting through it all to see what needs to be kept, thrown out, given to charity or sold.

This is hardly an 'essential activity' and is a couple of miles from home. That said I have never seen anyone in the small block of garages and it is well away from pavements/public. If it was a garage attached to my house I would have been in there already sorting it out. Only thing is that the garage block is overlooked by a fair number of houses so a 'well meaning' person might cal the feds.

 

[LDC]

Here is one that I am pondering

I have a lock up garage full of crap with some stuff there is no room for in small flat. The plan was that as soon as the weather improved I was going to spend a day (or likely two) sorting through it all to see what needs to be kept, thrown out, given to charity or sold.

This is hardly an 'essential activity' and is a couple of miles from home. That said I have never seen anyone in the small block of garages and it is well away from pavements/public. If it was a garage attached to my house I would have been in there already sorting it out. Only thing is that the garage block is overlooked by a fair number of houses so a 'well meaning' person might cal the feds.

My opinion fwiw is that it's clearly not essential, and clearly not on the list of things that is allowed, so don't do it.

It's not just about predictable/avoidable contact with others, it's also about risk of travel, creating a culture of us not just doing 'normal' things, reducing accidental contact, etc.

 

[platinumsage]

Here is one that I am pondering

I have a lock up garage full of crap with some stuff there is no room for in small flat. The plan was that as soon as the weather improved I was going to spend a day (or likely two) sorting through it all to see what needs to be kept, thrown out, given to charity or sold.

This is hardly an 'essential activity' and is a couple of miles from home. That said I have never seen anyone in the small block of garages and it is well away from pavements/public. If it was a garage attached to my house I would have been in there already sorting it out. Only thing is that the garage block is overlooked by a fair number of houses so a 'well meaning' person might cal the feds.

It's clearly illegal unless you travel there to obtain supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of your household.

If it was attached to your house it would be a different matter because the place where you live "includes includes the premises where you live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises". A remote storage facility is not a garage of your premises.

 

[MickiQ]

Here is one that I am pondering

I have a lock up garage full of crap with some stuff there is no room for in small flat. The plan was that as soon as the weather improved I was going to spend a day (or likely two) sorting through it all to see what needs to be kept, thrown out, given to charity or sold.

This is hardly an 'essential activity' and is a couple of miles from home. That said I have never seen anyone in the small block of garages and it is well away from pavements/public. If it was a garage attached to my house I would have been in there already sorting it out. Only thing is that the garage block is overlooked by a fair number of houses so a 'well meaning' person might cal the feds.

Personally I would leave it, I have one or two domestic jobs that need doing but they're not urgent, so I am leaving them since I don't want to start anything that might result in a trip to B&Q halfway through.
If you really really have to go there I would wear an invisibility cloak aka a reflective jacket, I notice that people tend to assume that a person in a reflective jacket is doing something official.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Christ youd think people were being kept in a dark room in Beirut for 5 years not being asked to basically do more exercise from home and go out less for a few weeks. Or even months.

Friend of mine has been going on epic 3 hour bike trips enjoying the weather. My Dad goes on big walks (without driving). Personally I wouldnt do either. And wouldnt drive to beauty spots etc right now. All about the strain on resources if you do break down, have an accident, have a sudden heart attack bla bla bla isn't it. It's daft restricting parks etc by law or saying people in the countryside can't go for a walk but common sense dictates that we should be adapting our normal behaviour significantly.

Regular cardiovascular excercise reduces the risk of heart attacks.

 

[Badgers]

My opinion fwiw is that it's clearly not essential, and clearly not on the list of things that is allowed, so don't do it.

It's not just about predictable/avoidable contact with others, it's also about risk of travel, creating a culture of us not just doing 'normal' things, reducing accidental contact, etc.

It's clearly illegal unless you travel there to obtain supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of your household.

If it was attached to your house it would be a different matter because the place where you live "includes includes the premises where you live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises". A remote storage facility is not a garage of your premises.

Personally I would leave it, I have one or two domestic jobs that need doing but they're not urgent, so I am leaving them since I don't want to start anything that might result in a trip to B&Q halfway through.
If you really really have to go there I would wear an invisibility cloak aka a reflective jacket, I notice that people tend to assume that a person in a reflective jacket is doing something official.

Thank you. It always was the right answer, just me being frustrated in a small space. Also knowing me I would have ended up injuring myself