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Yes, I've tried a zap in the microwave but it wasn't much appreciated. When I add water it's usually from a freshly boiled kettle. Just a tablespoon extra, really, and once it's mixed into the food it cools it enough that it just takes the cold edge off it and also brings out the smell of the food. I can't say as it has much of an effect, but still I do it. She's a fussy bugger for sure :D
 
Tried her on a pouch of Animonda Carny Exotic Kangaroo flavour. She was very, very interested in the smell of it when I opened the pouch. Less so when I presented her with it in a bowl. It has no sauce and it's more of a proper meat texture (no chunks) so that's likely the main problem. Adding water doesn't give it any kind of sauciness, just makes it sloppy. Not sure if she was sufficiently hungry, but she got very excited when she heard me moving her biscuits in the kitchen and came running...

How much do your lot eat in a sitting, epona?

Peg doesn't seem to like large meals, so I've been spacing it out through the day. But I admit I probably don't approach it as best I could, often giving her a handful of biscuits an hour or so later if she hasn't eaten her wet food. Which in turn might both give her impetus to not eat the wet food and also fill her up so she's not sufficiently hungry for the next meal later.

I've noticed she's lost weight around her back end (she needed to) and I don't want her to lose any more, so that's certainly on my mind when she leaves huge amounts of food from day to day.
 
Radar and Sonic eat very little at one time - they go for mouse-sized portions for the most part, then come back a bit later to have a bit more. They are good at regulating their intake of food and are lithe muscular hunters. Jakey is a complete and utter pig, feline hoover, he will scoff himself until he is sick, go back for more, and then lie down groaning - if I give him the opportunity - which is why I feed him in a large dog crate, to stop him wolfing down the other cats' food. I've honestly never seen anything like it, and I have to watch his weight, and he will eat almost anything. (it's probably a bit like having a small cat-shaped labrador).

They get Bozita wet in the mornings (380g tetrapak between the 3 of them), and some Royal Canin Siamese in the evening. For ages I was a bit derogatory about their range of 'breed specific' food, until I saw that the only thing about the Siamese food is the large size of the biscuits which slows down long-jawed cats (2 of mine are Oriental Shorthairs and the other is a Cornish Rex/Siamese/DSH cross) when they are eating, and since I started using that rather than a standard sized kibble, the frequency of bolt/vomit incidents has reduced dramatically. It really fucking hurts if you step on it though, I refer to it as cat lego.
 
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Vintage Paw - you give better care to your cats than I do. I don't know if you remember me posting 18 months or so ago about Jakey's cancer scare? Locum vet detected a lump at his checkup, I didn't really check anything, panicked, worried, took him in quick to get it operated on, he underwent major surgery, was sliced up the middle and spent 3 weeks in a surgical collar afterwards while he recovered.

I couldn't handle him or pick him up or touch him on his underside for a while because he had so many stitches and was very sore. When I did, it became clear that what had been removed during the operation was not a tumour at all, but his dislocated xyphoid process (a little bit of cartilage on the bottom of his sternum that had been dislocated since he had CPR when he was born not breathing, and caused him no bother ever, and that I had pointed out to previous vets so should have been on his medical record). I will never forgive myself for not questioning it more, everything that my poor cat went through, surgery and all the recovery afterwards. All the worrying I did too. I just can't forgive myself for not questioning the vet more about what he was going to do. They removed 3 of his nipples and all the glandular tissue in case it was mammary cancer (and it cost me £600). I love my pets, but I'm not that great at protecting them from harm. I will feel guilty about not questioning that vet more about what he was going to do for the rest of my days. I saw the lab report of what was sent for biopsy, it said it was a bit of cartilage. I've been too ashamed to even talk about it before :(
 
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The vet said "your cat has a lump, I have to operate, it might be cancer" and I said "here he is, slice him up" (well not those words exactly, but that's what it feels like) without even fucking checking properly what the vet thought he was removing. I'll feel like shit forever about it. And I cry my eyes out every time I think about it, he was in so much pain and discomfort after the surgery and it took him ages to heal up. And I'm 99.9% sure that it was completely unnecessary :( :( :(
 
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Hendrix is in disgrace after waking us up by scratching at the bedroom door repeatedly at 4am. :mad:
 
Epona - you've brought tears to my eyes, reading that. You did nothing wrong, honestly.

You know, my overriding feeling/memory of all of Charlie's problems is feeling overwhelmed and underprepared and somewhat impotent and not assertive enough every time I took him to the vet. He had so much prodding and poking. Every new thing that went wrong with him, they started from scratch wondering if it could be this or if it could be that rather than thinking "well, we know he's got a dodgy thyroid, let's see if it's related to that first" - and every single time (apart from when he had his teeth out, although that whole situation was kicked off by a thyroid event that went undetected for a while) it was his thyroid. He underwent 2 general anaesthetics looking for stuff that wasn't there. When his teeth were bad, the week before he had them out, the vet (not Ted, he was on holiday) had me syringing antacid into his mouth (banging against his teeth) twice a day, something that was unbelievably stressful for him, and completely unnecessary. She told me she did blood work and everything checked out so it must be something else, but she didn't check his thyroid numbers, and I didn't think to ask. I just assumed. Charlie went through so much unnecessary pain and stress for a couple of weeks because of that. Plus he underwent full mouth clearance while his thyroid and liver levels were dangerously high. Because it slipped through the cracks. All these extra things that he had done, investigations and pointless treatments, all contributed to his hatred of being handled and going to the vet. When it all began, he was very placid there and just put up with it. But all that treatment broke his spirit. And I find it very difficult to think about - that if he hadn't gone through all of that, if I'd been more assertive and insist they check his thyroid first and foremost each time, he would have been far more placid when it came to his tumour becoming malignant, and he would have been in a better place to be able to attempt long-term treatment. As it was, his fear and stress meant it would have been cruel.

So I understand, epona. I really do. Sometimes I break down in front of Charlie's picture, my face a disgusting mess of tears and snot, as I just cry over and over to him that I'm so, so sorry. (Here's my confession: it's all made even worse by my leaving him for 2 days before he died at the specialists... it had to be done but essentially I abandoned him there, and he was at his most terrified. On the way there, he reached out of his cage with his paw and pawed at my hand, as if desperately begging me to just take him back home again. He left three small scratches there. I go over them, reopen the wounds, so the scars never fade, because they are my penance.)

It's like a state of panic. Being at the vet, scared about what might be wrong, wanting to make sure they do what they need right away, and despite knowing a lot about animals and knowing our pets very well, there's still some kind of inbuilt deference to vets, because after all they have the years of training and every day experience. But we have our hunches, and we have the knowledge of our pets, and it all gets mixed up in our heads at times of crisis. I bet a lot of people here have similar stories. It doesn't make it any easier. And here's where I don't take my own advice at all: we have to realise it doesn't make us bad people, or uncaring, it just means we love them so much sometimes that emotion gets caught around the calm and collected bits of our brains and we just want them to get better, now, but the little buggers can't talk so we do what we do. I felt utterly adrift every time I was in that consultation room at the vets. I think that's probably quite normal.

(((epona)))
 
You're right, I didn't even go to the vet with Jakey when the vet found the 'lump' because I was waiting in for a BT engineer, so Nate took him up there. It's not Nate's fault either, Jakey was just going in for his annual checkup and vaccinations, expecting to be told he was a bit overweight and do measured portions for a while (Jakey, not Nate), I just feel bad that I wasn't there to say "hold on, that lump is a bit of cartilage that has been there since he was massaged into life as the only surviving kitten of his litter after birth complications" Nate came home, said the vet found a lump that might be cancerous, tried to take a syringe biopsy and got no fluid, and he has to go in next week for surgery - I fucking cried myself to sleep, it didn't even occur to me that the locum might have taken his misaligned bit of cartilage for a tumour, and I never questioned it - it was only afterwards - 3 weeks after surgery when he was healed enough for me to touch his torso and abdomen - that I realised what had happened.

I feel really sad about Charlie too, when you told us he was first having thyroid problems I said that if he was mine I wouldn't go for surgery given his age - I'd have gone about it the exact same way you did, but given what transpired, I feel really guilty for saying that.
 
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In 95% (or more) of hyperthyroid cases, the tumour (which causes the overproduction of hormone) is entirely benign and stays that way. I'm sure some vets recommend surgery, but it very often just comes back again, either on the other side of the thyroid that they left in place, or somewhere they can't get at anyway. The gold standard is radioactive iodine treatment, but it's 1) unbelievably expensive, and 2) requires them to be away from home for weeks (length of time depending on the severity of the tumour), and 3) sometimes has to be repeated if it didn't quite get it all. But once it's done that's it, it doesn't come back. Standard treatment is tablets though (and they're increasingly using a gel that goes on the ear), because it's easy to monitor and the least invasive - and in most cases it works out just fine. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and I've gone over and over that I should have had the thyroid removed as soon as he was diagnosed, but who was to know this would happen when it's so very rare? They don't recommend the surgery for that very reason - because there are always additional risks with anaesthesia in hyperthyroid cats, and the benefit-risk ratio doesn't really add up.

It's always going to hurt. Some days I beat myself up about it more than others. Sometimes I can do little else than just think, "what's done is done."
 
What scares me is that I'll be no more clear in my mind if something like this happens again.

No point thinking like that. But it's there.
 
I don't think you can ever be completely clear in your mind - if an animal or person that you love is not well, it's extremely stressful. After Jakey had his surgery I slept on the sofa with him for 3 weeks because he couldn't get into the litter tray without help because of the inflatable collar he had to wear and I didn't get much sleep throughout and felt like a zombie, and when Nate was in hospital with respiratory problems, I could barely function, couldn't even think (random people on the tube were very nice and caring to me when I was in floods of tears though, restored my faith in humanity etc etc). And it's times like that when we can be called upon to make important decisions, times when you're under so much stress you don't even think you can stand up straight.
 
Cat guilt here too. Sachin and his never ending teeth problems and the vet kept saying it was fine and would settle. Still makes me wail.
 
Gah.

Got to take Peg to the vet. Not sure if to take her tonight (emergency vet is about an hour away) or wait until tomorrow morning. Called the vet, he said it should be ok til tomorrow but if i'm worried go in tonight.

Looks like she's got a UTI.

It came on quite suddenly it seems. A couple of hours ago she started straining in corners. She's done one little vom, had a tiny bit of diarrhea but mostly it's the straining. She's managed very tiny little bits of wee. There is blood in it. I've said all this to the vet. She can't rest.

Going to have a quick shower. Any advice greatly appreciated in the meantime. She'll be in pain in the taxi there, especially a 1 hour trip to the emergency place (my usual one is closed overnight), but that's better than a 9 hour wait until they're open tomorrow. Vet said it's unlikely to be a blockage, since they're more likely in male cats, and more likely to be cystitis, but obviously without examining her he can't say for sure.

What would urban do?
 
I was inclined to say leave it till morning, but then re-read your post and as she's agitated and there's blood and you're OK to take her, it is probably best to do that.

I had a quick online search but couldn't find anything very useful, so consulted my old RSPCA cat care manual and it does suggest vet attention sooner rather than later, just in case it's an obstruction like a crystal.

I hope Peg's OK - hopefully nothing a short course of treatment won't sort.
 
Thanks. I checked stuff online too, seems like the symptoms match up about perfect for cystitis, including the blood, being agitated, licking herself, going in places other than the tray etc. She tries to have a lie down, and manages it for a short while then gets up to go and have another try at a wee.

I'm going to lie down myself for an hour and see how she is then. I've called the cab people for a quote, to make sure I've got enough money to get there if needs be, so it can be done. I'm worried about her being in the car all that time, unable to move around. She hates cars as it is, hates being confined, and cries a lot. The stuff I've read about cystitis makes it sound like stress can be a significant factor, so I don't want to add to that unnecessarily, but I will go for sure if it looks like she's getting any worse.

Certainly going first thing in the morning once the regular surgery is going if not though.
 
Thanks :)

Took her this morning. He had a good feel and her bladder didn't feel enlarged and while her temp was raised a little it wasn't very much, so he thinks it's an open and shut case of cystitis. He's given her 2 injections, metacam and vetegesic (? sp), an anti-inflammatory and painkiller, but for now no ABs since most cases are sterile. I've got some powders to put on her food, which he said aren't that great but might provide a bit of relief (similar to the stuff you can buy for people with cystitis) and some oral metacam to start tomorrow but only if she doesn't have poorly poos (which she had a little bit yesterday, but hasn't since we've been back from the vet).

She's been a different cat since we got back. She managed to get some good kip this afternoon (I tried as well), and I've seen no more straining, and she did a big proper wee (all over the kitchen floor, but still). So that puts my mind at rest that it's unlikely to be a blockage, at least, and he didn't think it was since her bladder felt fine.

Once the injections wear off I expect she might be in a bit of discomfort again, but with any luck it'll slowly start to get better on its own over the next few days. Got to keep in touch with him and let him know if I'm at all worried, and probably just give him a call at the end of the week regardless to say how she is. He's very nice. Not seen him before - he's the one I spoke to last night, his name is Josh.

Trying to get her into the carrier this morning was abject hell. I've never experienced anything like it. I thought I'd have to call them and cancel. She absolutely loves me now though, is very clingy, but I think that's stress. We've had some very loving headbumps and lots of purrs.
 
In need of advice from you knowledgeable cat people please, esp Ms T as she's been through this recently - I think a cat may be trying to adopt us. We get cats in our garden all the time, so that's nothing new, but lately a skinny tabby and white one has been hanging around more and more. I know most of the neighbours' cats by sight and this dude is new, no collar or owt. Its behaviour is very different to the local cats too - they stroll around looking at ease and occasionally spitting at each other, but mostly they all manage to get along and go about their business. This one sits outside our back door every day gazing intently into our house. It has quite a longing look :D I thought it just wanted to make friends with Beaker, but this morning after I locked up to go to work it was actually jumping up at the back door and squeaking.

It could well be a new arrival, there have been people moving in and out lots lately. What, if anything, should I do in this situation?
 
Talk to neighbours, see if any of them know this cat.

Don't start letting the new cat in or feeding it AT ALL unless you have a space / the budget for it and would really be open to adopting it if it wanted. Is Beaker your cat? how would s/he feel about it? It's important to gauge his/her reactions now, no point inviting a conflict if s/he wouldn't wear it.

If you do let / invite / accidentally have the new cat in, and it makes itself at home, you really really really ought to get it checked at a vet's for a microchip before assuming you've been assimilated.

Or you just roll with things and find in a month's time that you have a new cat whether you like it or not.
 
I took Carpet to the vet to see if he was chipped after he'd been turning up every day for quite a while, and had actually worked out he could tailgate our cats into the house via the microchip cat flap.

Then we had a conversation and decided to adopt him. He was chipped, neutered and vaccinated by Celia Hammond in Lewisham for £50.

He's currently sunbathing in the garden. The only issue is that he's not keen on the cat flap and will not use it to go out. Coming in he will use it as there's more incentive - albeit reluctantly.

Eta he was never aggressive towards our cats and was actually quite deferential. They obviously weren't keen but there weren't any fights. If there had been, I would have taken him to Battersea or similar.
 
Thanks both. We're not really in the market for a new cat, Beaker is indeed our cat and at the age of 16 is rather set in her ways. She's also enjoying a solo retirement since her brother died a few years ago, so I think any sharing of space would be stressful for her.

I'm just a massive softy when it comes to cats :oops: I won't be letting it in or anything, esp since I don't know if it actually has a home or not.

I guess I will ask around and see if anyone knows whose it is. The other possibility is that it has got lost, which would explain the skinniness - it looks in good condition but with big head and skinny flanks, but not in that old cat way - it seems quite young to me.

Weirdly, its markings are almost identical to those of my lovely old boy (Beaker's late brother). Very different face shape but otherwise alike enough to make me catch my breath.
 
All above advice is great.

If you're concerned for its well-being, in the interim you could at least ensure there's some kind of shelter in your garden that it can access if the weather is bad. And if it keeps coming back, and you have a hunch it doesn't have a home, catching it and taking it to be scanned is probably the right thing to do, whether you intend to keep it or not.
 
Peg seemed to have a comfortable night. She slept right through (I assume, because so did I :D). I didn't give her any early breakfast so she'd be hungry enough to eat her food when it was time for the oral metacam. Shortly before that, she started getting agitated and straining again. I expected that, since yesterday's jabs will have properly worn off now.

I put the metacam in the sauce of some Sheba, and she dutifully licked all the sauce up (leaving most of the meat, as is her way). She did a bit more straining, but after about an hour has settled down again now. She's certainly coping better than she was the night it all started. Hopefully the metacam will give her the relief she needs so her body can fight the cystitis in the meantime.

She even had a little drink of water today.

She's still hyper-alert though, even when she's resting. A combination of stress and the discomfort I expect. I know how frustrating cystitis can be, it's always there in the background no matter what you're doing - so for a cat who can't explain her discomfort it must be especially upsetting.

Still, I've had some purrs :)
 
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