Will you continue using a face mask after 19 July?

[Brainaddict]

I'll continue wearing masks in enclosed spaces, and in fact have for the first time ordered an ffp2 compliant mask for public transport and shops because it seems I have to expect other people not to be wearing masks soon.

 

[Aladdin]

TBF, the Tooth Fairy sees a lot and knows the score.

The tooth fairy sees behind the mask.....

 

[bimble]

And Retro's not saying anything that millions of others don't think. The issue with U75 has always been that the posters here see it as an example of real life, when in actuality this place is primarily populated by misfits and weirdos who are about as in touch with reality as the Tooth Fairy.

What do you mean primarily.

 

[Aladdin]

I'll continue wearing masks in enclosed spaces, and in fact have for the first time ordered an ffp2 compliant mask for public transport and shops because it seems I have to expect other people not to be wearing masks soon.

I ordered a box of ffp2 yesterday.
I doubt I'll be going into shops or anywhere bar drs surgeries and hospital.
But they will be places with a higher risk anyway...and even though I'm fully vaccinated nobody can tell me whether my immunocompromised immune system has had a decent response to the vaccine or not. And my last blood test had a low wcc and low neutrophils and other low readings. So I doubt my immune system would be up for a hard fight.

 

[8ball]

I've not read the whole thread and I dunno if these ever get listened to but - Sign the Petition

That petition is doing pretty well. Good chance of prompting some discussion in Parliament.

 

[8ball]

What do you mean primarily.

We can't conclude much about lurkers.

 

[pbsmooth]

back in the real world, most people are clearly just following govt aka the science advice (all caveats accepted). so if advice is now that you no longer need to wear one, these people, quite fairly, won't wear one.
I scoff at mates who go all anti-vax and conspiracy nut as if they know better than official advice so would seem strange to me to then do this now myself and overrule the advice.

 

[two sheds]

back in the real world, most people are clearly just following govt aka the science advice (all caveats accepted). so if advice is now that you no longer need to wear one, these people, quite fairly, won't wear one.
I scoff at mates who go all anti-vax and conspiracy nut as if they know better than official advice so would seem strange to me to then do this now myself and overrule the advice.

isn't the advice that masks are optional? In which case you'd be following advice (particularly after what Whitty said).

 

[Brainaddict]

back in the real world, most people are clearly just following govt aka the science advice (all caveats accepted). so if advice is now that you no longer need to wear one, these people, quite fairly, won't wear one.
I scoff at mates who go all anti-vax and conspiracy nut as if they know better than official advice so would seem strange to me to then do this now myself and overrule the advice.

The problem with conspiracy theorists is surely not that they think they know better than official advice per se, lots of people might genuinely know better than official advice because we are ruled by careless arseholes. The problem with the conspiracists is that they are inclined towards unverifiable sources and poor evidence bases, and mistake people saying something on the internet for truth. I think we're entering a time when official advice is going to be quite bad and will result in new variants and many disabled people, so I'm hoping plenty of people will ignore government advice in favour of the evidence that having the virus circulating at high levels is bad in multiple ways.

 

[pbsmooth]

The problem with conspiracy theorists is surely not that they think they know better than official advice per se, lots of people might genuinely know better than official advice because we are ruled by careless arseholes. The problem with the conspiracists is that they are inclined towards unverifiable sources and poor evidence bases, and mistake people saying something on the internet for truth. I think we're entering a time when official advice is going to be quite bad and will result in new variants and many disabled people, so I'm hoping plenty of people will ignore government advice in favour of the evidence that having the virus circulating at high levels is bad in multiple ways.

kinda agree but 'official advice is going to be quite bad' is a slippery slope. it's like hating on the BBC - the alternative is likely much worse, especially for people, as you say, less inclined to have good critical skills. so if you as an intelligent person doing the right thing etc etc is part of the 'don't believe the govt' trend I feel that doesn't end well.

 

[elbows]

And Retro's not saying anything that millions of others don't think. The issue with U75 has always been that the posters here see it as an example of real life, when in actuality this place is primarily populated by misfits and weirdos who are about as in touch with reality as the Tooth Fairy.

And yet collectively it managed to provide one of the best running commentaries of the pandemic there has been in this country.

Or at the very least, well ahead of the curve relative to the mainstream. For example March 2020 was a shock for many, but less of a surprise for those who were paying attention here.

Which is not at all to say that the opinions shared here are believed to reflect the majority view at all times. But in terms of a guide to actual reality rather than the bullshit we are sold at times, its been a great demonstration of what open analysis can offer.

 

[steeplejack]

Yes, because I am not a complete sociopath and have at least some respect for the health and well-being of others.

The government has totally lost it's mind on this to placate business and a few claret-cheeked contrarians on the "personal liberties" loony right on the Tory backbenches. As always it will be ordinary folk who pay a very heavy price.

 

[Brainaddict]

kinda agree but 'official advice is going to be quite bad' is a slippery slope. it's like hating on the BBC - the alternative is likely much worse, especially for people, as you say, less inclined to have good critical skills. so if you as an intelligent person doing the right thing etc etc is part of the 'don't believe the govt' trend I feel that doesn't end well.

I think that might have been true in the past. The government's new policy is so enormously risky (remember Johnson is a risk-taker who is promoted every time his risks don't pay off) that I think the picture has changed and it is important to be more cautious than government advice. Your stance is a bit puzzling tbh. Do you believe the government on everything? Have you spent your life avoiding the demon weed, for example, for fear you will fall into a life of vice and degradation?

 

[Aladdin]

And yet collectively it managed to provide one of the best running commentaries of the pandemic there has been in this country.

Or at the very least, well ahead of the curve relative to the mainstream. For example March 2020 was a shock for many, but less of a surprise for those who were paying attention here.

Which is not at all to say that the opinions shared here are believed to reflect the majority view at all times. But in terms of a guide to actual reality rather than the bullshit we are sold at times, its been a great demonstration of what open analysis can offer.

I have been really impressed with the factual and scientific posts on urban75 about covid and the pandemic.

Many by your good self.

Thanks to you and others I have felt some element of control.

 

[scalyboy]

back in the real world, most people are clearly just following govt aka the science advice (all caveats accepted). so if advice is now that you no longer need to wear one, these people, quite fairly, won't wear one.
I scoff at mates who go all anti-vax and conspiracy nut as if they know better than official advice so would seem strange to me to then do this now myself and overrule the advice.

But the Johnson government’s latest decrees are contrary to current scientific advice; earlier today I read of numerous international medical experts declaring the Johnson strategy to be dangerous and misguided.

 

[elbows]

But the Johnson government’s latest decrees are contrary to current scientific advice; earlier today I read of numerous international medical experts declaring the Johnson strategy to be dangerous and misguided.

And the dangerous absurdities baked into the UK establishment thinking has been a near constant feature of this pandemic. That shit is one of the most obvious demonstrations of this pandemic. And we have thousands of posts here with suitably on the ball posting dates to prove it.

 

[l'Otters]

Susan Michie had some useful framing of this issue in the press conference the indie sage had this morning. It’s 90 mins long altogether, not sure I know how to link to that segment.

 

[Saul Goodman]

back in the real world, most people are clearly just following govt aka the science advice (all caveats accepted). so if advice is now that you no longer need to wear one, these people, quite fairly, won't wear one.
I scoff at mates who go all anti-vax and conspiracy nut as if they know better than official advice so would seem strange to me to then do this now myself and overrule the advice.

This.
Most people do as they're told, and most people don't want to wear a mask, so you can't blame the individual when the government say you don't have to wear one.
Personally, I think it's reckless and stupid advice, and there's a chance it could result in a deadly mutation, so I'll be ignoring any advice saying I don't have to wear a mask, but I don't think abusing people who are only following government advice is very helpful.

 

[Chilli.s]

Yeah elbows, a big thank you from me too. You were all over this in a calm and factual way from the start, your analysis of the mountain of information has been a great help.

 

[Raheem]

Thing is, anyone running a business can still presumably make their own rules. So there are going to be scenes at cinemas, leisure centres and such like when people are asked to put on a mask and start yelling at the staff accusing them of high treason and something to do with human rights.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Thing is, anyone running a business can still presumably make their own rules. So there are going to be scenes at cinemas, leisure centres and such like when people are asked to put on a mask and start yelling at the staff accusing them of high treason and something to do with human rights.

I'm hoping businesses ignore government advice and insist on masks.

 

[elbows]

Government advice does include businesses being free to decide to require masks.

 

[bimble]

i wouldn't be surprised if we get mask-wearer cinemas and freedom-lover cinemas, a bifurcation. then ppl can choose.

 

[MickiQ]

i wouldn't be surprised if we get mask-wearer cinemas and freedom-lover cinemas, a bifurcation. then ppl can choose.

Or Democrats and Republicans as they called in the USA

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Just to spice things up a bit, did mask wearers vote Remain and anti maskers vote Leave?

 

[Raheem]

We're all anti-maskers now. Get over it.

 

[Thora]

Honestly I have pretty much followed all the rules all the way through, and will continue to follow them and do what I have to.

 

[gentlegreen]

The maskless numbers in my local supermarkets are picking up. It's like the announcement was sufficient - perhaps two weeks was too long to wait ...
It's a shock to see more and more of my local Aldi staff maskless - and today it wasn't "just" shelf-stackers, but today it was someone vocally directing people to the self-service tills ..

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Interesting to read a couple of people are buying ffp2 masks now. I will be too and for the first time. Before I was just wearing the crappy surgical ones but now I can't rely on them because I can't rely on the government to do its job and protect me.

 

[Badgers]

Only 19 lateral flow tests (over 500 home test kits given out) and 4 of those were positive. Of the four, three people were double vaccinated.

My sister (teacher) is isolating
A third of her school are isolating
One of her two kids (school) is isolating
Her husband (railway's) is isolating
His parents (retired) are isolating

Her neighbour (office worker) is isolating
Neighbours twin kids (nursery) are isolating