Why the lib-dems are shit

[butchersapron]

Anyone know why the Joseph Rowntree trust gave the lib-dems almost 200 grand this year? One of the largest donations - along with ministry of sound.

 

[cesare]

Anyone know why the Joseph Rowntree trust gave the lib-dems almost 200 grand this year? One of the largest donations - along with ministry of sound.

Odd. I was just looking at 2013 annual report and there didn't seem to be any overtly political funds given, so I wonder why the change.

 

[butchersapron]

Odd. I was just looking at 2013 annual report and there didn't seem to be any overtly political funds given, so I wonder why the change.

Tad at odd with their stated aims - inlcuding:

Our aim: to identify the root causes of poverty and injustice.

In a time of globalisation, economic strain and austerity, the poorer members of our society are at greatest risk.

But poverty isn’t just about money. We want to understand both how much money does matter and what other factors affect equality – housing, education, aspirations, culture.

 

[cesare]

Tad at odd with their stated aims - inlcuding:

Yep.

I did notice somewhere that it also says that all fund giving is at the absolute discretion of the trustees. I wonder if there's been a major change of trustees (or the co-opted contributors) this year.

 

[butchersapron]

Yep.

I did notice somewhere that it also says that all fund giving is at the absolute discretion of the trustees. I wonder if there's been a major change of trustees (or the co-opted contributors) this year.

Possible/likely - though i really can't be bothered to do a trawl through right now Would be interesting if we found some ex-lib dem notable who recently became a trustee though.

 

[cesare]

Possible/likely - though i really can't be bothered to do a trawl through right now Would be interesting if we found some ex-lib dem notable who recently became a trustee though.

Likewise Would be interesting for sure ...

 

[belboid]

it's funded them for years, decades even. About six million over the last ten, iirr. Supposedly to counter their historic underfunding compared with Labour and the Tories

 

[Pickman's model]

some ex-lib dem notable who recently became a trustee though.

only huhne stands a chance of that atm

 

[butchersapron]

it's funded them for years, decades even. About six million over the last ten, iirr. Supposedly to counter their historic underfunding compared with Labour and the Tories

In that case, how much they given to UKIP this year?

 

[Dogsauce]

There's four trusts administered by Rowntree - some are stated to be apolitical, others not. Trustees are probably different for each fund.

 

[belboid]

In that case, how much they given to UKIP this year?

the party funded by a host of millionaires? They dont need a penny

 

[cesare]

it's funded them for years, decades even. About six million over the last ten, iirr. Supposedly to counter their historic underfunding compared with Labour and the Tories

The Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust? That's the annual report I was looking at

 

[butchersapron]

the party funded by a host of millionaires? They dont need a penny

The lib-dems have the same millionaire funding and have for yonks - were they (JRT) giving money to UKIP before sykes then?

They are subsiding the political expression and support of the neo-liberalism they are supposed to be tackling here. Doing if before 2010 - ok, can see why they might even i don't agree - post 2010 - wtf!!?

 

[cesare]

Aha, the one we should be looking at is the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust: http://www.jrrt.org.uk

 

[cesare]

towards campaigning costs in the lead up to the next general election in 2015

£960800 to the LibDems in 2013 ffs

 

[Pickman's model]

£960800 to the LibDems in 2013 ffs

more money than sense

how can we get our hands on it instead

 

[Pickman's model]

Aha, the one we should be looking at is the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust: http://www.jrrt.org.uk

pls link to an application form for a massive cash handout

 

[cesare]

Button says they're continuing Victorian Liberalism

 

[belboid]

The Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust? That's the annual report I was looking at

from the foundation of which the charitable trust is a part.

 

[belboid]

The lib-dems have the same millionaire funding and have for yonks - were they (JRT) giving money to UKIP before sykes then?

They are subsiding the political expression and support of the neo-liberalism they are supposed to be tackling here. Doing if before 2010 - ok, can see why they might even i don't agree - post 2010 - wtf!!?

they're the archetypal do-gooder liberals, why are you surprised?

 

[cesare]

Our values are rooted in liberalism and Quakerism. Recognising the equal worth of every person, we stand for the defence of liberty, freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and freedom from all forms of oppression, be that political, religious, economic or social.

 

[Pickman's model]

Button says they're continuing Victorian Liberalism

neo-victorian neo-liberalism

 

[cesare]

Someone ought to tell em that liberalism and neo-liberalism are different

Just cross posted with you there Pickman's

 

[Pickman's model]

Someone ought to tell em that liberalism and neo-liberalism are different

yeh but liberalism doesn't pay so well

 

[butchersapron]

they're the archetypal do-gooder liberals, why are you surprised?

Because doing this isn't archetypal do-gooderism. It's beyond that.

 

[cesare]

yeh but liberalism doesn't pay so well

Just call ourselves anything with "liberal" in the title and apply for a grant.

 

[Dogsauce]

Should make bother with the charities commission about them not complying with their own mission statement:

"We fund political campaigns in the UK to promote democratic reform, civil liberties and social justice."

Bedroom tax? Millionaire tax cuts? Legal Aid cuts? ATOS? Voted for all of this, didn't they?

" it wasn't us, it was the others. Big boys came."

 

[butchersapron]

You're an electoral genius clegg - half the counties voters are traitors.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just call ourselves anything with "liberal" in the title and apply for a grant.

a liberal grant

 

[brogdale]

From the loathsome Staines, but it has to go in here...

In response to this..


Staines has produced this:-
http://order-order.com/2014/05/15/guy-news-special-would-you-really-vote-for-the-libdems/

• Cyril Smith - “Overwhelming evidence” that Smith sexually abused young boys.
• Lord Rennard - Suspended by the Lib Dems after the long history of sexual harassment allegations against him was exposed.
• Mike Hancock - Self-confessed teen fondler. Accused of sexually assaulting a mentally ill constituent. Says he is too ill to face investigation.
• Chris Huhne - Liar, crook, criminal. Jailed for perverting the course of justice.
• LibDem council leader Derek Osbourne - jailed for ‘appalling’ child pornography offences. His computer contained images of ‘stomach churning’ child abuse, bestiality and severe violence against women.
• Welsh LibDem councillor John Larsen - guilty of bombing campaign in his constituency, jailed for causing an explosion likely to endanger life
• Worcester Park LibDem councillor Stephen Fenwick - convicted forracially aggravated assault in train station pub
• Yeovil Lib Dem councillor Peter Brock - convicted of stealing £1,231 from the Poppy Appeal charity

Not new, but taken as a whole...