Why the lib-dems are shit

[butchersapron]

The Liberal Democrats face a total wipeout in tomorrow’s local elections and look likely to end up with fewer councillors than when the party was formed in the 1980s, polling experts said yesterday.

Nick Clegg already faces increasing demands not to enter another coalition in 2015, as the party gets hammered once again for its alliance with the Tories over the last four years.

In 2010 the Lib Dems had nearly 4,000 councillors but tomorrow — following appalling results for the last three years — its council base could fall to just over 2,100 as the party loses another 350 seats, half of those up for election this week.

Rob Hayward, a polling expert, said there were now signs that the Lib Dems could do even worse than expected. “They are going to end up with about half the councillors they had four years ago,” he said.

 

[butchersapron]

Wave bye bye:

An internal Liberal Democrat document reveals that the party is braced for a complete wipeout in the European parliamentary elections.

Senior party figures have been briefed to say that a failure to win any seats should be "expected" at this stage in the electoral cycle for a governing party.

The document, the contents of which have been leaked to the Guardian, advises Lib Dem spokespeople about what to say if the party wins between no seats and two seats in Strasbourg.

In that scenario, the document advises party figures to say: "Disappointed with the result but the party remains resolute and this was expected at this point in the electoral cycle."

Expected, despite there being no historical precedent and it being part of a wider/longer series of disastrous electoral performances. I reckon the interviewers might just be prepared for that parry. In fact, they should order you off the show for being the minor party finches that you are.

 

[JTG]

Wave bye bye:



Expected, despite there being no historical precedent and it being part of a wider/longer series of disastrous electoral performances. I reckon the interviewers might just be prepared for that parry. In fact, they should order you off the show for being the minor party finches that you are.

Read that earlier. Given that SW region is the one they have most hope of retaining a seat in, it has made me want to go out and vote Labour tomorrow just to help them on their way

 

[killer b]

Nick Clegg already faces increasing demands not to enter another coalition in 2015

ha. like he's going to get the opportunity.

 

[JTG]

I have examined their prospects in Bristol tomorrow and expect them to lose 9 or 10 seats

 

[butchersapron]

Read that earlier. Given that SW region is the one they have most hope of retaining a seat in, it has made me want to go out and vote Labour tomorrow just to help them on their way

They're dead in the cities and towns - and despite received wisdom, a big chunk of their euro vote was from the towns and cities. The sheer concentration of prats in them makes it almost true by default.

 

[butchersapron]

I have examined their prospects in Bristol tomorrow and expect them to lose 9 or 10 seats

I've not done my usual look this year - mostly as it's areas i'm less familiar with. Our lot are getting rather excited about avonmouth though. I've not done leafleting or canvassing so have no on the ground idea.

 

[JTG]

I've not done my usual look this year - mostly as it's areas i'm less familiar with. Our lot are getting rather excited about avonmouth though. I've not done leafleting or canvassing so have no on the ground idea.

I've cobbled together a post in the Bristol forum. Think they'll hold in some of the muesli belt areas but have no chance in Bishopston

 

[brogdale]

I'd imagine that the 'expectation of wipeout' line has a deperate element of 'expectation management' about...I can see/hear clegg doing that faux raspy voice thing saying...some people said we'd have no seats whatsoever, but actually, look, we've got one...despite having to take the tough decisions....

What might be even harder to explain is coming fifth.

 

[butchersapron]

Sure, but this shows that he's got his footlings (ashdown included) circling around him, expecting attack. None will come. I think it's unlikely they'll fail to break 5% in any region - but as eastbourne masked a larger massacre, so PR will mask a personal death - they're coming for you clegg.

 

[JTG]

Sure, but this shows that he's got his footlings (ashdown included) circling around him, expecting attack. None will come. I think it's unlikely they'll fail to break 5% in any region - but as eastbourne masked a larger massacre, so PR will mask a personal death - they're coming for you clegg.

Eastleigh

 

[butchersapron]

That's him. Tired. So tired.

 

[weepiper]

YouGov's final poll for Scotland for voting intentions for tomorrow puts them on 6%.

LAB - 28%
SNP - 26%
CON - 15%
UKIP - 13%
GRN - 11%
LDEM - 6%

 

[redsquirrel]

YouGov's final poll for Scotland puts them on 6%.

I think that's the highest UKIP poll so far, and SNP are quite a bit lower than they have been, first poll I've seen where they've been beaten in the second place by Labour.

 

[weepiper]

I think that's the highest UKIP poll so far.

Yeah, that part's not so good. It's only a small sample size (533) though so probs take it all with a pinch of salt

 

[JTG]

YouGov's final poll for Scotland for voting intentions for tomorrow puts them on 6%.

That's their Scottish seat lost. Rest of the UK has to step up now

 

[Dogsauce]

They have one in Yorkshire - who would be best placed to boot them out? This is what we got last time:

Two Conservative MEPs, one UKIP, one Labour, one Liberal Democrat and one BNP

I reckon two Labour will be a given, as will two UKIP, with LD & Brons disappearing in a puff of smoke. Maybe tories could lose one too? There have been some LD strongholds in the past, Harrogate and Clegg's bit of Sheffield. Not enough for them.

Current inclination is to go for Green party which will probably overtake them here - polled 8.5% last time vs LD on 13.2. Not sure they will get a seat though. Chance we could get three UKIP.

 

[brogdale]

Internet style 'Knocking-up' by the LDs....

If you are one of the two thirds who hasn’t made their way to the polling station yet, please read on. This stuff actually matters.

Your MEPs and Councillors make decisions that affect your daily life, be it mobile phone charges on your holiday, potentially your job if it’s funded by European money, or the care your parents receive or the quality of your local parks.

Clearly I’d love it if you voted Liberal Democrat for your benefit as much as mine as a party member. Here are some reasons why:

Our councillors are embedded in their communities. They know what’s going on, they keep themselves in touch with what people are thinking and they listen to what’s said to them.....When they see injustice, they will fight hard for people, leaving no stone unturned. People know who they are and feel comfortable about approaching them with their problems. Try walking the length of a street in their ward with a Liberal Democrat councillor and see how long it takes you as they are stopped by people who want to ask them things, bring their problems, or offer thanks for a job well done.

 

[tbtommyb]

Internet style 'Knocking-up' by the LDs....

i'm sure that the % of the population that could recognise their councillor is 0.00001%

 

[weepiper]

 

[hipipol]

Never fully understood why the LibDems inspire such hatred

 

[butchersapron]

What a fantastic post.

 

[hipipol]

What a fantastic post.

it was, wasn't it?

 

[Nylock]

Never fully understood why the LibDems inspire such hatred

No offence intended here but, where have you been these past four years?

 

[Teaboy]

I've just posted this on the other thread but after last night's results in my part of South West London Vince Cable will have some sleepless nights to look forward to.

 

[hipipol]

No offence intended here but, where have you been these past four years?

Well in the UK mainly........
It just seems bizarre the level of hatred which even the Tories seem to escape

 

[Fez909]

Business secretary Vince Cable has told BBC News that the Lib Dems may have lost support from people as a protest vote, but not necessarily from people who had ideals. "We've certainly lost support from people who voted for us simply as a protest," he said. He said that there was "a price to be paid" for being part of the coalition. "Our results were poor," he added.

 

[Nylock]

hipipol That's because the Libdems said so visibly and loudly what they would do to, for instance, prevent tuition fee rises and when they got into power they basically chucked their constituents under the bus. Everyone knows when you return a Tory to power they'd be an unmitigated cunt; the biggest mistake the Libdems made was to try convince people they were different from the other two parties and then behave worse than that when elected. They draw opprobium for very good reasons... When you so visibly and totally fuck over your constituents like they did, everyone jumps on you -from the people that hated your party and politics from the outset, right the way to the very voters you fucked over for a sniff of imagined power. How is this difficult to understand?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Well in the UK mainly........
It just seems bizarre the level of hatred which even the Tories seem to escape

You've always been a mental twat

 

[SpineyNorman]