Why the lib-dems are shit

[Pickman's model]

Lib Dems have descended from sheer opportunism to the full on delusion and fantasy that is afflicting more and more of the traditional political spectrum. It is like watching a documentary on mid life crises. Reality is now too horrible for whole swathes of people to contemplate.

that's why we post here where fantasies like sending the entire political class to labour on a lunatic bridge in the south atlantic can take on a certain reality

 

[Teaboy]

My seat is Richmond Park a very tight LibDem/Conservative swing seat - currently occupied by Zac Goldsmith.

I don't mind saying that the temptation to vote tactically just get him out and to lend support to revoke, is strong right now.

I had the same quandary when I lived there. Tbh I think Goldsmith is toast anyway I was pretty surprised he won it back in 2017 and brexit has been a shitshow since then. It is however one of the few seats in the country where its actually worth voting.

 

[Combustible]

A classic of the genre (see the small print)

 

[butchersapron]

Vs the reality

 

[Crispy]

So even with a manufactured deceiving poll question they can't win?

 

[killer b]

I'm a little baffled they released that one tbh. If this is the best bit of private polling they've done...

 

[brogdale]

Reckon Bush reads our output.

 

[Chilli.s]

Politics... it's a wasteland of poor decision making, deception, self-serving interests and inefficiency. The illusion of democracy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Politics... it's a wasteland of poor decision making, deception, self-serving interests and inefficiency. The illusion of democracy.

it's only teenage wasteland

 

[brogdale]

Swinson's GE slogan:
"Build a brighter future"
Dull.

 

[killer b]

Reckon Bush reads our output.

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doubt it, everyone on the internet is laughing at that one this morning.

 

[brogdale]

doubt it, everyone on the internet is laughing at that one this morning.

Not an entirely serious post killer b
But the graph does, indeed, kick off the yellow tories' campaign with an embarrassing fail.

 

[killer b]

Not an entirely serious post killer b

I guess. it's an idea that often crops up though, often on threads full of links to what people are saying on twitter - which shows a more likely direction of information flow...

 

[Puddy_Tat]

had a thing in the post from my limp dem PPC today (Phillip Lee - former tory then independent MP in bracknell)



it has a reply paid envelope for me to send my thoughts back. any suggestions?



also complicates the electoral process here - in the past i've not wanted to draw a cock on the paper as it might be seen as vote for john redwood, but i guess it's not as clear now...

 

[Whagwan]

 

[elbows]

Swinson's GE slogan:
"Build a brighter future"
Dull.

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It was originally 'give us blighters a future' but this tested poorly with the opinion proles.

 

[vanya]

All That Is Solid ...: Dear Jo Swinson

Dear Jo,

Examining your recent pronouncements on what might happen after Boris Johnson is no-confidenced, you again reiterate your opposition to Jeremy Corbyn getting made an interim Prime Minister to see through an election or a second referendum. You say the LibDems can only support an alternative "compromise" candidate because the Labour leader "does not have the numbers". Your new friend Chuka Umunna has proven enthusiastic in pushing this line too.

You're probably not familiar with the work of Louis Althusser, the celebrated Marxist philosopher who made his reputation through a series of productive but controversial close readings of Marx's corpus. So what?, you might say. What's he got to do with the price of Liberal Democrat principles? In the course of his work, he borrowed the method of the symptomatic reading from Sigmund Freud. This entails a close reading of a piece of work paying attention to not just what is said, but what is unsaid. The silences of a text can, therefore, be as significant as the arguments articulated. And occasionally, more meaningful. How this applies to you and your hard remain posturing is the avoidance of any political arguments justifying your refusal to back a caretaker Corbyn premiership. Time and again, all we hear are the bland statement that it's all about the numbers.

Poppycock. Your silences are screaming like a klaxon. Because "the numbers" is the line to take, why this studied sticking to what is a technical argument? Might I suggest your positioning is motivated by Corbynphobia? That is to say you won't countenance supporting the Labour leader because an experience of office, however brief, removes the taboo of his being in government. You know, as well as anyone else, that the sky won't fall in. What we would see instead is Corbyn assume the mantle and the props for avoiding a no deal Brexit. Not the deranged extremist you want to paint him as, but as a statesman. And one the Rubicon is crossed, the chances of Labour winning the next election under his leadership go up.

You have other tactical considerations in play too. Labour's position, as you know, remains forcing a general election before we have a second referendum. That doesn't suit you, above all because of the frighteners the SNP are putting on you in your own Dunbartonshire seat. And while the LibDems do look set to gain seats, particularly in the South West, your new friends - Sarah, Chuka, Sam, Phillip, Luciana, Angela - are pretty certain to get dumped out of the Commons. And that would be a terrible shame. Indeed, one might suggest among the conditions and reassurances you gave these clowns, particularly the Labour turncoats, was there are no circumstances at all you would back a Corbyn government. Even if it meant risking and causing a no deal Brexit.

You know none of these arguments would fly in public because they expose you for the slimy, self-interested opportunist you are. Party before country is a term you occasionally like to bandy around to criticise the Tories and Labour, but in your short tenure as leader this has proven to be your raison d'etre. You even know how facile the numbers argument is. When "ex"-Tories like Guto Bebb and Ken Clarke are willing to accept a limited Corbyn government, this leaves you looking awkward. The truth of the matter is were you to say the LibDems should go where Bebb and Clarke lead, the rest of the former Tories and the flotsam and jetsam of independents are likely to "provide the numbers" too. And your entire strategy as the most remainy of remain parties unravels.

That you refuse to and at this hour are happy to play Russian roulette with the livelihoods of millions of other people shows you're unfit to organise a tea party, let alone lead a political party. Make no bones about it. Should you persist in this line, it won't be Jeremy Corbyn who gets the blame for not preventing a no deal Brexit. It will be you.

Yours sincerely,

Phil

 

[brogdale]

Fill yer boots...

 

[maomao]

it has a reply paid envelope for me to send my thoughts back. any suggestions?

Shit in it.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Fill yer boots...

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They look like the worst cbbc presenter crew ever, absolute dickhead trousers

 

[DotCommunist]

also a slight homes under the hammer vibe imo

 

[rekil]

You know who else liked jackboots?

 

[JimW]

Fill yer boots...

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United Colours of Benilyn

 

[kenny g]

They look like the worst cbbc presenter crew ever, absolute dickhead trousers

Look at the hand gestures combined with facial expressions. Sick individuals.

 

[andysays]

They've made a complaint to ITV after Swinson inexplicably not included in the Johnson/Corbyn debate.

I guess not everyone believes the stuff about her being the next PM

 

[Poi E]

One on the right not wearing a poppy. Fucking traitor.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Reckon Bush reads our output.

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Come on now, this was a local Lib Dem branch, it’s not as Jo Swinson herself would def.....



Oh.

 

[elbows]

Perhaps a package of suspicious statistics for the election campaign.

 

[Santino]

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Perhaps a package of suspicious statistics for the election campaign.

The correct headline should be "Non-suspicious package wrongly suspected by Lib Dems".

 

[brogdale]

My favourite tweet today on #libdembarcharts