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"Nicholl joined the Lib Dems earlier this summer. He left the Labour party after Owen Smith, the shadow Northern Ireland secretary, was sacked, considering it a decision with damaging consequences for the region."
 
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The fair votes thing seems to have developed into dis-enfranchise the non-intelligentsia. The next step is likely to be a synthesis of the two into more votes for the intelligentsia, and let others vote, but not count quite as much. (As it used to be up till 1948 when uni students and multiple property owners could vote twice) And they chose a privately educated daughter of privilege (and an EU pimp/diplomat) who has spent her entire life in education to publicly float what they have privately been thinking for some time. And idea not too far from some who see themselves as on the sensible left and in loco parentis over the thicko anti-eu types. That lot just want things done without public acknowledgement of what's behind their odious beliefs though i.e just revoke article 50, nothing else.
 
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Look at her disgusting backtracking underneath btw where she pretends she posted this to in opposition to the plans, to suggest that they can use her argument to persuade the tories not to go ahead with their proposals. What an out and out liar.

Please don’t get me wrong. I do not support this and will not support this! But if I am right and we can prove that, and let’s assume the Tories haven’t caught up with political shifts, then maybe we can convince THEM to not back this too as it disadvantages them.
 
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The fair votes thing seems to have developed into dis-enfranchise the non-intelligentsia. The next step is likely to be a synthesis of the two into more votes for the intelligentsia, and let others vote, but not count quite as much. (As it used to be up till 1948 when uni students and multiple property owners could vote twice) And they chose a privately educated daughter of privilege (and an EU pimp/diplomat) who has spent her entire life in education to publicly float what they have privately been thinking for some time. And idea not too far from some who see themselves as on the sensible left and in loco parentis over the thicko anti-eu types. That lot just want things done without public acknowledgement of what's behind their odious beliefs though i.e just revoke article 50, nothing else.
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How very JSM.
 
butchersapron said:
Look at her disgusting backtracking underneath btw where she pretends she posted this to in opposition to the plans, to suggest that they can use her argument to persuade the tories not to go ahead with their proposals. What an out and out liar.

Please don’t get me wrong. I do not support this and will not support this! But if I am right and we can prove that, and let’s assume the Tories haven’t caught up with political shifts, then maybe we can convince THEM to not back this too as it disadvantages them.
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the tory calculus is clearly that while all parties will be affected by this voter suppression thing, the tories will be less affected

everyone saying this is a bad idea is missing the point, which is the same one thatcher had in mind when she introduced the poll tax and later declared it worked: that the number of people who left the electoral register to avoid the poll tax was a great win for the tories, and it's the same with this id proposal. people bleating on about it's a good or a bad idea because of the tiny number of people who've impersonated voters are really missing the point
 
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the tory calculus is clearly that while all parties will be affected by this voter suppression thing, the tories will be less affected

everyone saying this is a bad idea is missing the point, which is the same one thatcher had in mind when she introduced the poll tax and later declared it worked: that the number of people who left the electoral register to avoid the poll tax was a great win for the tories, and it's the same with this id proposal. people bleating on about it's a good or a bad idea because of the tiny number of people who've impersonated voters are really missing the point
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Agreed, but I think quite a deal of the personation rebuttal stuff is reacting against the vermin's 'but look at Tower Hamlets' lines.
Significantly, amongst the raft of electoral malpractice that the Electoral Commissioner upheld in TH, personation was notably absent; they didn't need such small-fry fraud.

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You lot are so wound up by the lib dems that when one of them expicitly says something is a bad idea, you try to find the hidden message that actually says it's a good idea. Conspiracy theory style.
 
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I want as many people to be enfranchised as possible, as long as they're our sort of people
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Reminds me of:

Wilf said:
Here's yer man saying we, literally, need to take an exam before having a vote on Brexit:
A citizens’ assembly is the best way out of the Brexit mess

Read the whole thing, it's only short, but here's an appetizer:

"One idea might be a people’s vote but this time without a campaign at all, on the grounds that people could make better use of their time preparing for their vote by informing themselves. What if we went further and invoked a principle that has spread into many areas of life in the last couple of decades, namely ‘informed consent’, and said to people, if you are going to make this major change, you really do need to know what it is you are endorsing, so if you want a ballot card, you need to take an exam?

Pie in the sky? In practice, it probably is, though it’s not a bad principle. After all, anyone not born in the UK who wants to become a British citizen and thus be entitled to vote as well as pay tax here has to take the life in Britain test that many of us would fail. A basic but rigorous test, with a time limit for completion, could be devised, on the EU’s rules and institutions, and the proposals themselves. If they passed the test people would be able to print off their barcoded voting form in the way you print off any machine-readable ticket, take it along to the polling station, have it checked off and vote as individuals who have thought things out for themselves"


He concludes that it may be difficult to stop people cheating (boo! hiss!) so it will have to be a Citizen's Assembly. Fine stuff.
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brogdale said:
Hold on a mo....



Voting for Johnson's "deal"!
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Swinson has clearly been doing the rounds. She was also interviewed, if you can call it that, by Dan Walker ( :rolleyes: ) on BBC Breakfast this morning. I'm having issues just now finding the "interview" ( :oops: ) from BBC-site searching. But there was not a single question/challenge from him about LD policy to revoke Article 50 minus a referendum, or the contradictions between the latter policy and now advocating a 2nd ref.
His questions to her were a lot more Brexit-flavoured ("we already had a referendum in 2016", to paraphrase crudely).
He often pisses me off, but she's vastly worse.
 
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