Why the lib-dems are shit

[Teaboy]

My partner of over 35 years announced that he quite liked Jo Swinson and would vote for her. Horrified and startled, I pulled down the above 'They work for you' site, reading off her voting positions, getting more irate as I went down the list, practically levitating when I shouted that she had voted against support for 16-19 year olds (very pertinent to us and our particular 16-19 year old at the time). I called him a nit wit, an idiot and worse when I was then accused of 'only reading the bad stuff' and challenged to find something positive (could only come up with bankers bonuses and some same sex marriage) so was then told I was just reading some 'diss sheet'. Aghast silence. He has stomped off to bed. I am sitting here, contemplating a fucking night on the sofa I am so horrified.

He is never going to vote for anyone, tbf, as he isn't on the electoral register...but FFS - The Lib Dems.

Yeah, he fancies her. That's all.

 

[campanula]

I tried...but the sheepdog clearly thought this was a fantastic night-time game, licking my tightly closed eyes, ears, feet... I gave up around 4ish and crept back to my own treacherous, but dog-free bed.

I am easily bought off though - tea, toast and redcurrant jelly has mollified me.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Christ

BBC News - Jo Swinson: Serious talks on Lib Dem-Plaid election pact
'Serious' talks on Lib Dem-Plaid election pact

 

[Proper Tidy]

Any further defections as a conference showpiece predicted?

 

[andysays]

Liberal Democrat party to consider scrapping Brexit

Liberal Democrat party members are in Bournemouth for their annual conference, with the party's leader hoping to convince them to back a new policy of scrapping Brexit without another referendum. Jo Swinson says holding the referendum got the UK "into a mess". And she believes revoking Article 50 - the formal process to leave the EU - is the only satisfactory way out.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Liberal Democrat party to consider scrapping Brexit

Irrelevant anyway, more chance of a german-franco military occupation than the libdems getting a majority. But it does amaze me how they seem to see politics as something that only happens in parliament, divorced from wider society, so ok let's cancel A50 and there will be no social or political repurcussions at all, all be fine

 

[agricola]

Any further defections as a conference showpiece predicted?

Heidi Allen has apparently denied she would be joining this morning, but said they were going to unveil someone at Conference.

 

[planetgeli]

Heidi Allen has apparently denied she would be joining this morning, but said they were going to unveil someone at Conference.

Shamima Begum?

Meanwhile Ed Davey has been on the happy drugs.

Lib Dems election victory would be mandate to cancel Brexit, Ed Davey says

Just in case they don’t win he’s reminded everybody they’re prepared to go into coalition with the Tories, because cunt.

And said he’s prepared to go for a second referendum while saying, “let’s be clear”, that he wouldn’t do that because that would mean asking people to vote twice. Because, idiotic cunt.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Shamima Begum?

Meanwhile Ed Davey has been on the happy drugs.

Lib Dems election victory would be mandate to cancel Brexit, Ed Davey says

Just in case they don’t win he’s reminded everybody they’re prepared to go into coalition with the Tories, because cunt.

And said he’s prepared to go for a second referendum while saying, “let’s be clear”, that he wouldn’t do that because that would mean asking people to vote twice. Because, idiotic cunt.

Presumably not winning is therefore a mandate for leaving then

 

[campanula]

There are no Tories in my hometown, merely a kind of liberal, socially left academic type for whom the support for lefty politics means socially liberal but economically they are neo-liberal, rentier types through and through. But only 'ethical investments' and a bit of BTL - but only 1 'extra' property, along with the massively inflated 'worker's cottages they have enthusiastically gentrified and the little place in France. Avid consumers of greenwash and possess a bizarre belief that their regular flights to some socially improving arty destination (Prague, Uppsala and Barcelona are popular) can be offset by a donation to the Woodland Trust. The rest are Lib-Dems (shy Tories). Obviously, there are more egalitarian types...but entire generations of working class have basically been displaced to some fenny hinterland or feel ever more isolated. Depressing.

 

[teqniq]

 

[brogdale]

Not very liberal.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Not very liberal.

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Bit more nuanced than that - John Nicolson's PMB was filibustered, but the pardon legislation was folded into the Police and Crime Bill - which Gyimah was govt lead on.

 

[brogdale]

Bit more nuanced than that - John Nicolson's PMB was filibustered, but the pardon legislation was folded into the Police and Crime Bill - which Gyimah was govt lead on.

Not really; there was a clear difference between Nicholson's PMB automatic pardon and the Govt's disregard process.

 

[agricola]

Some of the Gyimah defence on Twitter today from them has been fantastic

 

[rekil]

Was this really 5 years ago?

Spoiler

*shudder*

 

[teqniq]

I see Chukka is moving to contest a seat in the City of London and Westminster in the next general election. I wonder why.

 

[butchersapron]

Formation

Was this really 5 years ago?

Spoiler

*shudder*

Containing a pop at Farage for all that gay marriage stuff. That looks good in 2019 don't it?

They baronessed that goon as they retreated into Berlin from the Seelow Heights as well.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Was this really 5 years ago?

Spoiler

*shudder*

Shit the bed. Horrific

 

[Plumdaff]

Christ

BBC News - Jo Swinson: Serious talks on Lib Dem-Plaid election pact
'Serious' talks on Lib Dem-Plaid election pact

Plaid are fucking desperate to keep Welsh Labour in business aren't they

 

[brogdale]

 

[redsquirrel]

Urgh, the lovely anti-racist LibDems.

Nice to see the LDs keeping their usual standard of candidate though.

 

[brogdale]

Urgh, the lovely anti-racist LibDems.

Nice to see the LDs keeping their usual standard of candidate though.

Yes, should have said the LD PPC for North Devon interviewed on today's R4 News.

 

[steeplejack]

Jo Swinson is badly, badly out of her depth if this morning's Nicola Murray-esque media interviews (Morgan, Today) are anything to go by.

Morgan had her 6-4 after five overs on a benign wicket; his dreary medium pace had her caught behind on the Scottish referendum question, bowled middle stump on article 50, given out after an umpire's review on homophobia, and repeatedly playing and missing on the democracy question.

Then her innings on the Today programme was an absolute disaster; 1984 England against the West Indies in their pomp, on a damp green wicket at Heanor, in September. She was only saved from a complete rout when bad light stopped play (i.e. the weatherman came).

Prim diction, young Anne-Widdecombe-style right wing authoritarianism, and hoovering up ever more dubious Tory refugees don't make her a strategic genius, despite what some of the MSM would have you believe. The cancelling Brexit without consultation is a major miscalculation.

I'm not in favour of Brexit, but just to cancel it unilaterally is the worst thing that could happen right now, pouring petrol on the flames of Farage and the ERG. Hope she's burnt at the election in all honesty. Ghastly character all round.

 

[redsquirrel]

Jo Swinson is badly, badly out of her depth if this morning's Nicola Murray-esque media interviews (Morgan, Today) are anything to go by.
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I'm not in favour of Brexit, but just to cancel it unilaterally is the worst thing that could happen right now, pouring petrol on the flames of Farage and the ERG. Hope she's burnt at the election in all honesty. Ghastly character all round.

What time was it on Today steeplejack?

EDIT: found it 2:15 into todays programme. Fuck she's abysmal, she must have know this question would come up

 

[Argonia]

Jo Swinson says she wants to win over 300 seats. She's crackers.

 

[maomao]

Tbf a Lib dem majority would be a mandate to cancel article 50. And we could get one of the flying pigs to drop the retraction paperwork off in Brussels.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Irrelevant anyway, more chance of a german-franco military occupation than the libdems getting a majority. But it does amaze me how they seem to see politics as something that only happens in parliament, divorced from wider society, so ok let's cancel A50 and there will be no social or political repurcussions at all, all be fine

Well. I mean what the Lib Dems actually want/are hoping for is a hung Parliament. Probably best to read this as saying that they will argue for revoking A50 within some sort of coalition govt.

Are there gonna be enough centrist MP's willing to throw a petrol bomb on the fire and revoke? We may well find out.

 

[killer b]

Probably best to read this as saying that they will argue for revoking A50 within some sort of coalition govt.

no need to read it as this, as they've explicitly said they'll argue for a second referendum in the event of them not winning a majority.

 

[butchersapron]

Read it as them being the hardest remainers as labour moves onto 2nd ref territory.

Electorally it means nothing as this is what people think they were anyway.