Proper Tidy
Arsed
All of them - even the recent labour defectors?
Why the lib-dems are shit
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Consistent, if nothing else.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
So that we can laugh at it? I mean fucking hell calling Trump a working-class puppet has all the political nous of Toby Young at a eugenics convention.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Evidence led cunts.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
As I said, consistent.
They legislated to introduce the H&SC act, so logical that the yellow tory scum should vote to retain it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It would not be inconsistent to vote for changes to the act once no longer in coalition.
teqniq
DisMembered
Apparently yes.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
As you wish, but consistency was the only justification I could discern for their vote. So they're inconsistent yellow tory scum.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
But they didn't vote.
If labour wanted to get their amendment through then they should have agreed the wording with the lib dems in advance.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You really want a semantic argument about whether abstention could be interpreted as a voting decision?
Nah, it's fine...the LDs have revealed where they stand very clearly.
andysays
Love and solidarity
At least they're consistent in being yellow Tory scum, even if the detail of how that manifests itself varies
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Not voting is frequently defended on here as a means of indicating that you are not in favour of either the choices being presented to you.
That's what the Lib Dem's abstention "reveals" in this case too.
I put the word in scare quotes because they aren't pretending otherwise.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Story about the NHS vote with some detail: East Dunbartonshire MP Jo Swinson under fire for refusing to back bid to protect NHS
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Proper Tidy
Arsed
It's misleading to claim the libdems refused to support an end to privatisation is false because the motion wouldn't have been binding and would instead have just 'applied political pressure' is the claim there - but that is still refusing to support an end to privatisation isn't it. Think about it.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Fullfact.org, more evidence based shithousery
Are they Lib Dem-associated? I'm not really aware of them.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Not directly no. Founded by a tory peer I think. Supposedly impartial but they are of that ilk aren't they, if everybody had the hard rational facts they would make hard rational decisions blah. Politics as policy.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Bloody hell Teuchter! Stop letting the highland side down. What a bunch of cunts honestly.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think teuchter isn't in fact scottish but he abhors scots so he pretends to be one to undermine them
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
That’s got to be the explanation, a plant.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
"NHS privatisation" is so ill-defined that pretty much any headline that mentions it is fairly meaningless.
Voting for this amendment would not have meant an "end to NHS privatisation" even if it had been legally binding.
The amendment was about Labour signalling that they in principle want less private sector involvement in delivering NHS services, which is then translated into voter-friendly language about "stopping the sell-off of the NHS" or "ending NHS privatisation" and so on. The reality is that repealing that bill would not mean anything like ending private sector involvement in the NHS.
The Lib Dems I believe are fairly open about the fact that they are more interested in increasing funding to the NHS than fundamentally changing its structure. On that basis it seems unsurprising that they didn't feel like voting for this amendment. By abstaining they signal that they are not entirely opposed to reducing private sector involvement.
Headlines that say stuff like "refusing bid to protect NHS" are just meaningless and simplistic rubbish journalism.
Voting for this amendment would not have meant an "end to NHS privatisation" even if it had been legally binding.
The amendment was about Labour signalling that they in principle want less private sector involvement in delivering NHS services, which is then translated into voter-friendly language about "stopping the sell-off of the NHS" or "ending NHS privatisation" and so on. The reality is that repealing that bill would not mean anything like ending private sector involvement in the NHS.
The Lib Dems I believe are fairly open about the fact that they are more interested in increasing funding to the NHS than fundamentally changing its structure. On that basis it seems unsurprising that they didn't feel like voting for this amendment. By abstaining they signal that they are not entirely opposed to reducing private sector involvement.
Headlines that say stuff like "refusing bid to protect NHS" are just meaningless and simplistic rubbish journalism.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
They're cunts.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Ptolemy
like an unwound clock, I just don't seem to care.
All fine words and a 'logical' delivery, but people should not be concerned with the semantics of the Lib Dems and more concerned with what it indicates - to me, any private sector running of NHS services is a crowbar to opening it up to more private sector involvement, not simply existing in a status quo vacuum. All actions (and lack of actions) have consequences.
It's one thing to crow about protecting the public nature of the NHS and then do nothing about it. It's quite another to not even spout the rhetoric. Why can't they even bring themselves to engage in the optics?
The LDs are a mess, a total void at the centre of politics.
It's one thing to crow about protecting the public nature of the NHS and then do nothing about it. It's quite another to not even spout the rhetoric. Why can't they even bring themselves to engage in the optics?
The LDs are a mess, a total void at the centre of politics.
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